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Leno - Conan - NBC Saga

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  1. Jan 12, 2010 #41 of 213
    SamC

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    The affiliate revolt was deeper than I thought. From what I have heard locally, a studio was offering a new filmed drama to NBC affiliates if they could get 30% or more to sign on for it. Other stations were contemplating doing news from 10-11:35 and then Leno at 11:35 or news from 10-11 and Leno at 11. Or moving a traditional afternoon estrogen fest like Oprah to 10.

    In other words "check your local listings". Which, as those that follow syndication ratings understand, means that the viewership of everything is really uncomparable unless you want to have a long discussion of the exact situation on the ground in 100s of markets.

    And, once the local stations get a slot of time, the network will never get it back.

    NBC, for all of the discussions and spin, screwed up, big time, and has a lot to do to keep itself on a par with CBS and ABC.
     
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    The affiliates were almost surely behind all this, looking out for their own bottom-lines. (I'm amused at how some folks, so quick to jump to accuse folks of "greed", aren't accusing the affiliates of "greed" in this case. It almost seems to me as if it is only greed if they don't like the ramifications. :rolleyes: )

    Anyway, someone in another forum, this morning, really crystallized the issue for me, pointing out why the bad PR that the affiliates were able to stir up, in this case, was so important and why it was so critical for NBC to respond to it: While most of the time, that kind of bad PR can safely be ignored, and will just go away in time, this time NBC didn't have time to wait: NBC Universal is in the process of being acquired by Comcast, and while this kind of bad PR doesn't typically have lasting effect, in this case it could have been very readily turned into political pressure arrayed against the acquisition, thereby resulting in more onerous restrictions on the deal than otherwise. That provides a path from this bad PR directly to long-lasting negative impact on the network. That's why NBC couldn't just ignore this.
     
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    What makes him think he has a choice?

    You take the time slot they assign, or you start collecting empites alongside the freeways.
     
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    The rumor mill is that his other choice is Fox at 11 pm.
     
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    In the law of remedy, there is a concept called "specific performance", i.e., an order that requires a party to perform a specific act, usually what is stated in a contract. There are a number of conditions where specific performance is precluded. One of those exceptions is when the act is a personal service, such as performing on stage. So they cannot make Conan do the show. All they can do is try to sue him for money damages. I think, at this point, NBC would be better off giving him lots of money to just go away quietly.

    What we're seeing, here, is Conan engaging in "negotiation by media manipulation".
     
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    I think the millions that NBC have given him, plus the millions more NBC will still probably still give him for screwing around with his career, will keep O'Brien from picking up trash.

    What I wonder is if this actually some kind of power play. Leno pretty much came off as the corporate yes man of late night after the the Letterman-Leno debacle following Carson leaving. NBC (ironically) screwing him out of the Tonight Show brought back some the Leno of the 1980s. O'Brien basic statement is that so far he's the only one in this situation who cares about the integrity of The Tonight Show as a decades old brand, which puts Leno back in the corporate stooge role.
     
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    I've never been thrilled with O'Brien. For an adult, he is beyond silly IMO. Let him go and restore Leno to TTS
     
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    That's nuts. I wonder where he'll end up.
     
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    Excellent News! Now if they'll just officially announce that Jay Leno is back on the TONIGHT SHOW and put an end once and for all to the "Jay Leno Show" disaster.

    NBC execs should have known better and left Jay on the Tonight Show until he was sure he wanted to retire. Conan could have stayed on Late Night or left opening the door to Jimmy Fallon.

    Jay Leno, Jimmy Fallon, and Carson Daly--sounds like a great late night lineup!
     
  12. Jan 12, 2010 #52 of 213
    Scott Kocourek

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    Better for Conan to enjoy the millions left on his contract sitting on the beach enjoying life than be on tv.

    Welcome back to The Tonight Show Jay!!
     
  13. Jan 12, 2010 #53 of 213
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    Who the heck stays up that late anyway! :lol:
     
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    You may want to review the manuals on those HR's listed in your signature. Apparently they can record programming for later viewing, or something crazy like that. :grin:
     
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    I have to side with Conan on this one. They made the decision they should honor it. If the new Leno show is such a disaster they should cancel it and leave everything else how it is.
     
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    The real sad fact is Leno was doing as expected. The whiny affiliates were blaming the fall-off of their 11:00 newscasts on poor lead in. Did NBC bother to check how the newscasts were doing before Leno? I doubt it! If they had they may have shown some backbone.

    I think it would be great if Leno & his agents also told NBC no dice. That would really get interesting!

    So, I guess it's back to Law & Order!

    Dave
     
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    Maybe they can get Letterman to jump ship??? I never thought Jay or Conan were that interesting. David is funnier, has more interesting shows, and even gets into trouble from time to time.

    Late night went to hell in a handbasket when Johnny retired. Of course bringing him back would take a lot more than money!!

    John
     
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    I agree on all counts.
     
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    The more time goes on, the more information leaks out indicating that Conan O'Brien doesn't have any contractual guarantees that his program will be broadcast at any specific time. His fans' claims, as I alluded to yesterday, all seem to emanate from an appeal to personal preference rather than from anything actually promised to him. Yesterday, several Conan fans on various blogs and message boards tried to convince all who would read why everyone involved in this should defer to Conan's presumed entitlements, some referring to TMZ as one source for the foundation of their arguments in that regard, despite other news sources saying that NBC would not be in breach of contract with the moves they're planning on making. Now even TMZ has joined the New York Times and Reuters and granting that fact.
     
  20. Jan 13, 2010 #60 of 213
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    Ive been a Letterman fan since his morning show and have seen him grow into a great broadcaster. NBC should have given him the job years ago. Ive stopped watching Tonight and Late Night when Dave went to CBS. Ive never been a Conan fan so if he goes to FOX or wherever it doesnt change who I watch.
     
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