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Lifetime channels removed from E*

Discussion in 'General DISH™ Discussion' started by MikeW, Dec 31, 2005.

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  1. Jan 1, 2006 #21 of 324
    GeorgeLV

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    As of midnight pt/3am et the main Lifetime channel has been removed from Dish Network and We is being shown in its place.
     
  2. Jan 1, 2006 #22 of 324
    dwcobb

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    Just playing devil's advocate a bit here, but for those of you saying the new rates are "too high" how do you know?

    Perhaps Dish has been underpaying up to now compared to other providers? Simply saying "up by 70%!" doesn't always mean too much. Yes, it is a big change. But it doesn't mean the old rate was a fair one, nor that the new rate is an expensive one.

    Relatively speaking, I very much doubt Lifetime is an expensive channel.

    EDIT: Reading between the lines on the letters above, I would gamble and say that Lifetime is doing its math on a per channel basis, while E* is doing its based on total cost.

    So, if you add "pennies" to a couple of existing channels, but then add in another channel at the same rate, you could end up with different figures.

    But if I had to lay odds, I would bet that Lifetime is being more honest here. No matter what they say about waiving confidentiality, E* doesn't seem to want to have tried to continue carrying the channels if they didn't take an offered extension to get them past the holidays.
     
  3. Jan 1, 2006 #23 of 324
    angiecopus

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    Goodbye nanny and the golden girls, Oh this makes me so mad. some people are so cruel
     
  4. Jan 1, 2006 #24 of 324
    TNGTony

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    So any time some one raises the price on something by 76% you just say, who am I to say if it's fair or not and just pay it without a grumble?

    If you have to buy milk and one dairy which has the real good milk raises their price from $2 to $3.40 from one day to the next, do you just buy it or do you substitute a different brand for a while? Even if it doesn't taste as good, I know most would think twice about just shelling out the extra cash just because.

    Remember when the banks started instituting ATM fees? Did you stop using the machines for a little while just to make a statement? If not you were not with the majority of the polulation.

    So, okay. Let's say that Hearst is forcing Dish to buy "Real Women" and that is the source of 90% of the 70% price increase. Going back to the milk analogy, the dairy decided that instead of selling you a gallon of milk for $2 you now have to pay $3.40 for the milk AND a pint of thick buttermilk. You don't want buttermilk, but to get that dairy's milk you have to buy the buttermilk. Do you just pay the extra cash?

    Or suppose that most stores sell a gallon of milk for $3.40 and this one store sells it for $2. Would you care? And if the price of the milk went up to $3.40 at this store, would you just say, "It's okay. The price was too low here anyway"? I don't think so.

    What really gets to me is that I know in two months or so when we first see the annual price increases spurred on by rate increases to Dish (and all MSOs) from ESPN/Disney and Viacomm people will be screaming bloody murder. These are the same people berating "charlie" for trying to stem the tide at every turn. Yes ultimately it's for "charlie" to make more money. In the process it helps to save us a $1.40 every now and again.

    Call me a "dishie" or an apologist, but I love it when "charlie" does this. I only wish "rupert" would do it too along with every other CEO out there and keep prices in line!

    See ya
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  5. Jan 1, 2006 #25 of 324
    jerryez

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    I can truthfully say that I have never watchd more than five minutes of ESPN or any of the other ESPN History or whatever they are called, but I watch a lot of movies on LMN.
     
  6. Jan 1, 2006 #26 of 324
    Mike D-CO5

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    This is why ala carte should be made available even if the government has to mandate it. This yearly increase is caused by these content providers linking their channels together to force carriage of other less desirable channels.

    How many of you get a yearly 4 % increase in your paycheck? I have went 4 years to get a 4 % increase in my salary and every one of those 4 years my satellite bill has gone up.

    This is why ala carte should be made a reality. IF each channel stood on it's own merit and was not tied to others, then the free market would set the price. IF the channels set the price to high then customers could stop paying for that channels and the channel itself would either lower the price or go off the air. I for one am tired of paying for ESPN to be able to watch my local ABC station. I read elsewhere that Disney owns Lifetime as well as ESPN and ABC. So it is more price hikes due to their Greed.

    I don't blame Charlie at all , for this. I blame the content providers who are trying to extort the money out of each and every one of us. The free market should set the price and not the content provides. These price increases are becoming a yearly thing.

    We have had 6 price hikes in the last 6 years with Both Dish and Directv. ( I am sure Directv will follow Dish's lead on this in March- like they did the 5 years before) They are trying to squeeze us for every penny each year. We need real free market pricing and some Government oversight to force free market influences. IF that is by mandating Ala carte then it should be done.

    The whole idea behind the competition of satellite vs cable vs the phone companies and their video distribution methods, is to help bring competitive pricing to the market and the consumer is supposed to benefit. We are all being extorted by these corporate content providers. We need some leveling of the playing field and if ala carte will do that then I say BRING IT ON!
     
  7. Jan 1, 2006 #27 of 324
    juan ellitinez

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    Lifetime probably wants the channels made availble on more tiers thus more revenue
     
  8. Jan 1, 2006 #28 of 324
    the_bear

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    Before you call for government intervention, let’s see of Charlie and Lifetime can workout a deal for E to create Lifetime Movie Network as an add on package.
     
  9. Jan 1, 2006 #29 of 324
    GeorgeLV

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    Don't let the outdated thread title guide your thinking. It's not just Lifetime Movie Network that has been removed. The main Lifetime channel (the 8th highest rated cable network) is now gone.
     
  10. Jan 1, 2006 #30 of 324
    johnbelt28

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    I thought it was just LMN but since it's Lifetime i see E* loosing some customers.Looking at Nielsen cable ratings Lifetime is pretty popular.How does this save us money?I used to recommend E* to everyone.Sure wouldn't do it now.
     
  11. Jan 1, 2006 #31 of 324
    Mark Holtz

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    The thread title has been updated to reflect the current situation. Also, because of spam reasons (those who post and run), we have put in a minimum number of posts prior to being able to post a link. - Holtz

    Hmmmm.... I think the timing of this sucks because Dish is going to be raising rates and yet removing channels due to "contractural disputes". When was the last time a shopping channel was removed due to "contractural disputes"?
     
  12. Jan 1, 2006 #32 of 324
    the_bear

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    I didn’t realize the main Lifetime channel was gone as well, but that is all the more reason to create a separate Lifetime combo package. You cannot expect Charlie to put every top rated channel in the basic package. That would give him no negotiating power and little incentive for customers to buy more than basic.
     
  13. Jan 1, 2006 #33 of 324
    Ghostwriter

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    Well as far as I can see Lifetime is #8 in rating and this is nothing to sneeze at. My wife, and thousands others are EXTREMELY pissed right now, this almost amounts to ESPN being taken away from most men! He (Charlie) better resolve this one quick and I don't think WE is a legitimate replacement.

    The entire Viacom issue was bad enough, but you know what they say about a woman scorned.

    Also yes they have added channels, channels that D* already carried anyway, should I be thrilled they added NFL Net, ESPNU when we lost OLN and now possibly the Lifetimes? And PLEASE do not come with the argument about thats why E* turns a better profit, because until I work for them, I could care less. The provider that gives the best programming VALUE (not best price) is tops in my opinion. If this isn't resolved quickly, trust me I DO NOT want to hear it from my wife. I will drop everything except Internationals and Voom and pack my bags and go elsewhere.

    And must we all deal with this clowning around?? I mean the first few times it was funny to be a part of, but now its getting old. Do your damn jobs and resolve contract before sticking it to your paying base. 7 months and you can't get this resolved???

    Ohhh and all you retailers out there...get some cold packs for your ears because they are going to be burning come tommorow!
     
  14. Jan 1, 2006 #34 of 324
    juan ellitinez

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    I'm sorry!! I didn't realize charlie's website was dishnetwork.org!!!Why would he be in business if he couldn't make a profit!!
     
  15. Jan 1, 2006 #35 of 324
    James Long

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    Yep. Two less channels of emotional women being scorned and seeking revenge.

    JL
     
  16. Jan 1, 2006 #36 of 324
    Ghostwriter

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    Did I ever say for him NOT to make a profit?! Just don't bring the argument that E* is more profitable that D*. Do you care??? Give me that same channels or at least the same Top 20 rated channels as you competitor.
     
  17. Jan 1, 2006 #37 of 324
    Jerseyguy

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    Check out this portion of the Lifetime statement (from a previous post)

    "However, they have refused to pay pennies more (nowhere near the 70% increase they are claiming) that reflects the value of the two most popular women's networks and the #1 network among women in homes with satellite television."

    the value of the two most popular womens networks..My guess is
    1. Lifetime Movie Network
    2. Lifetime Real Women

    and the #1 network among women....
    Thats Lifetime

    Its all about Lifetime saying, if you want Lifetime and LMN, you have to carry Lifetime Real Women. Most likely they are demanding that it be added to AT120. Frankly I don't think that Lifetime Movie Network should be in AT120 let alone Lifetime Real Women. If they came out with a Spike TV Movie Channel, I would say that should be in the AT180 (Hey Spike Movie Channel, thats a good idea :D ).
     
  18. Jan 1, 2006 #38 of 324
    James Long

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    BTW: Charlie is making occasional apperances on 108/109 during the commercial breaks. And there is a scroll on those channels over the WE content. For a clean viewing on WE viewers can tune to 128.

    JL
     
  19. Jan 1, 2006 #39 of 324
    Geronimo

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    Some of you seem to blindly accept that Lifetime wants 70T% more---or evenb 76% more. Lifetime says otherwise. I wonder what he truth is.
     
  20. Jan 1, 2006 #40 of 324
    Geronimo

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    Lifetime went off a few hours later.
     
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