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Looking for more storage via eSATA? Introducing the TenBox

Discussion in 'DIRECTV HD DVR/Receiver Discussion' started by Earl Bonovich, Sep 10, 2007.

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  1. Earl Bonovich

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    If you felt that way, then ceratinly someone else has.... and I just want to make it clear, that isn't the case...
    I am not here to help "sell" anything....

    I have been just trying to answer the questions that people have been asking.

    I have no "ties" to the company other then being the one of people talking to them. I have no financial gain if they sell 10,000 or none....

    When I do complete the review, it will be attempted as I do with my other reviews to be objective as much as possible.

    I am not here to sell any of you anything....
    If someone else came along with a product that competed... we would treat it the same way.

    Pro's and Con's between different makes and models of eSATA enclosures... to help you all make your decision in where you spend your money.
     
  2. Earl Bonovich

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    They do... and they will....

    But they are making sure they have the right answers to your questions, and evaluating all the feedback that you all have posted already.

    They will be here....
     
  3. NetRaider

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    If it doesn't provide central storage for multiple HR20s then there is no reason to spend the bucks. There are many eSATA boxes available that cost far less.

    Black rackmount or silver HR20 stack. One or the other please.
     
  4. Volman

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    Earl's right.If it weren't for links on this site,I wouldn't have my Seagate FA Pro.
     
  5. Vor

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    How would you even do that though? eSata max cable length is 2m, and there's no way in hell the HR-20's embedded processor can shove enough raw data out it's Ethernet port to use a networked storage solution.
     
  6. NetRaider

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    Through the RJ45 ethernet port.
     
  7. Vor

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    ESata = 3Gb/s, low latency, low cpu overhead (video asic writes straight to hard drive).

    RJ45 Ethernet = 1Gb/s (max, 100 Mb/s more likely in a home network), high latency, unknown CPU overhead (I don't know how much the CPU has to get in the way of receiving, for instance, VOD feeds, or how much touch it would have to do (probably high-touch) to push a video feed out the network port).

    In theory, you could probably code it to use the internal drive as a big-assed cache and use it for your line buffer, while archiving stuff off to remote disk over the network. But recording two HD streams while watching another one and VOD-downloading a third all over the RJ45? No way in heck.
     
  8. Rubbernecker

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    Thanks for the response Earl. I appreciate it and all that I have learned from this site.
     
  9. NetRaider

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    I can stream multiple HD streams now over my gigabit network (bandwidth of 10GBps with new switch) from my Infrant NV+ server ( http://www.infrant.com/products/products_details.php?name=ReadyNAS NVPlus ). There are serveral HD media servers (Axonix) now and new ones all the time ( Alienware Rack-Mount Hanger 18 HD Media Server - http://www.engadget.com/2007/09/06/alienwares-hangar18-hd-1080p-media-server-announced-at-cedia/ ). The NV+ is available in 2TB with RAID for less than the Tenbox.

    The HR20s need to be able to access shared drives on the network. Multiple HR20s on a network should be able to share between themselves as well.

    A new hybrid drive would work better for an internal HR20 caching drive.
     
  10. NetRaider

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    Why should D* care where we store the recorded content?
     
  11. funhouse69

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    If I had to guess Direct TV doesn't "Care" where the recorded content is stored and I'm sure if they could they would be more than happy to provide us with a DVR that had no DRM whatsoever but that wouldn't sit well with the content providers. Hell some of the content providers are nervous about component outputs these days because they can't put DRM in that stream like they can in HDMI. I guess HBO doesn't want a nice HD copy of one of their "Originals" showing up online :D

    So as much as I am 100% with you that having the ability to swap eSATA drives between HR20's or having some kind of shared network storage would be great it probably never will happen. Of course D* could make it so that we can share the content between "Authorized" receivers based on our accounts. That is probably the best we will ever see.
     
  12. Vor

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    Is this wrong? At the time, Earl thought the HR-20 was 100Mbit.

    In any case, your fancy pieces of hardware are able to stream that fast exactly because they have hardware built into them to assist with the networking overhead.
    If the cpu on the HR-20 is high-touch when it comes to networking (which it probably isn't on the receive side, or else VOD wouldn't work very well, but may very well be on the transmit side), then there isn't anything they could do in software to support the situation you want.
     
  13. Thaedron

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    No, it's dead on, the ethernet port on the HR20s is only 100Mb.
     
  14. NetRaider

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    My point exactly. HR20 needs fully functional Gigabit ethernet.
     
  15. NetRaider

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    " Fancy hardware?" Gigabit ethernet is the standard. Who would install anything less today? Gigabit NAS is not pricey when compared to other home theater products.
     
  16. Cyrus

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    No Kidding, I think the response has been pretty harsh. A more diplomatic response probably would have been more conductive to a dialogue with the Tenbox people.

    I think this product is probably not intended for those of us who are willing to do a lot of research and get the best deals. But for those who like to spend money (and can afford it) on their electronic toys without spending time researching and reading message boards it's probably a good deal.
     
  17. Thaedron

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    Emerging standard, maybe, but defacto standard for the majority of residential users... Not by a long shot.

    Now if you are talking corporate use, then I'd agree with your statement 100%.

    I do agree with you though, it would be nice if the HR20 were designed to be more future proof and actually have a Gb ethernet port on it.

    But now... :backtotop
     
  18. TBoneit

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    My best guess is that a Drive designed for DVR use is more duarable than a computer drive for DVR use.
    Why should any EHD say not for DVR use or for DVR use. The more information onn the box, the more Joe Average buyer dithers indecisively. Too many choices and options seems to lead many to duck the issue and trust the clerk in the store who says this is best.

    Critical data = video? probably not to many. How many are upset when they have to exchange their DVRs and all the recordings are gone? I've seen people here on this and other sites that are truly upset when their stored content is gone.

    I knew someone that was really upset when her cable went out during the last episode of Gray's Anatomy this year. Imagine how upset she would have been if ti had been DVR'd and she was waiting to sit down and enjoy it that weekend and her DVR drive died.

    Is anything on TV critical? Depends. How many people were jumping ship to DirecTV or Dishnetwork because of BTN only? Or my Brothers wife when the Yankees started YES and her cable company didn't get it right away. The Vitriol out of her mouth about that *)&^%)* cable company.
    She would have paid anything to get her beloved Yankees. Sports fanatics.
     
  19. Steve

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    Lower...
    +1, to a point. E.g., Seagate's specs for "Mean Time Between Failure" for their free-standing FreeAgent drives vs. their DB35 "DVR" drives is 1.2 million hours vs. 1.4 million hours. So on paper, "yes", they are more reliable. :) /s
     
  20. TBoneit

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    My guess. The designers were never given a list of features that said we want to stream video over the network to other units. And the only reason it has a 100Mb ethernet port is for IPTV use and maybe calling home.

    100Mb is more than fast enough for the intended use. How many people have internet connectivity that could even come close to saturating in ethernet port. My guess is darn few.
     
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