1. This site uses cookies. By continuing to use this site, you are agreeing to our use of cookies. Learn More.

Looks like 2010 wasn't the hottest year on record after all

Discussion in 'The OT' started by Lord Vader, Jan 25, 2011.

  1. Feb 2, 2011 #101 of 201
    veryoldschool

    veryoldschool Lifetime Achiever Staff Member Super Moderator DBSTalk Club

    42,679
    348
    Dec 9, 2006
    These weren't "my contentions" but Michio Kaku, a physics professor at NYU, who I will believe over the rantings of an internet poster. ;)
     
  2. Feb 2, 2011 #102 of 201
    Lord Vader

    Lord Vader Supreme Member

    8,687
    38
    Sep 20, 2004
    Galactic Empire
    He simply explained a 5th grade meteorological fact, that one needs moisture for precipitation. Big deal. Then you pop in with your Global Warming agenda. I, on the other hand, have no agenda (unless one thinks it's an agenda to set the record straight). I have always maintained that temperature swings are normal. They have been and always will be recurrent parts of our planet's existence.

    So-called Global Warming is a myth. Period.
     
  3. Feb 2, 2011 #103 of 201
    veryoldschool

    veryoldschool Lifetime Achiever Staff Member Super Moderator DBSTalk Club

    42,679
    348
    Dec 9, 2006
    I'll close with his statement:
    "Scientists all agree the earth is warming. They can disagree as to the cause and whether it's man made or not."
     
  4. Feb 2, 2011 #104 of 201
    Lord Vader

    Lord Vader Supreme Member

    8,687
    38
    Sep 20, 2004
    Galactic Empire
    Therein lies the problem. There is no evidence that the earth is "warming." It simply goes through brief periods of cold & hot periods.

    What did these same scientists "agree" on in the 1970s, when their profession and the media kept telling everyone that Earth was cooling, that we were entering an ice age?
     
  5. Feb 2, 2011 #105 of 201
    Tom Robertson

    Tom Robertson Lifetime Achiever DBSTalk Club

    21,331
    246
    Nov 15, 2005
    Umm... Setting "the record" straight as in your opinion is definitely a candidate for an agenda. And since you regularly bring this topic up, even the mythbusters would confirm you have an agenda. :)

    So, kindly ease off on others whose opinions differ fro yourn.

    Thanks,
    Tom
     
  6. Feb 2, 2011 #106 of 201
    Lord Vader

    Lord Vader Supreme Member

    8,687
    38
    Sep 20, 2004
    Galactic Empire
    It is not an agenda when one is setting the record straight or when one is attempting to take the politics and ideology out of something that is apolitical and nonideological.
     
  7. Feb 2, 2011 #107 of 201
    Tom Robertson

    Tom Robertson Lifetime Achiever DBSTalk Club

    21,331
    246
    Nov 15, 2005
    !rolling ba da dum <cymbal crash>

    Even with politics removed, yours is still a compilation of your opinions. And you are welcome, even encouraged to (politely) share them here. Yet confusing ones opinions as facts will most frequently draw a big laugh. :)

    Cheers,
    Tom
     
  8. Feb 2, 2011 #108 of 201
    Lord Vader

    Lord Vader Supreme Member

    8,687
    38
    Sep 20, 2004
    Galactic Empire
    It is not opinion when one simply relates factual information. It is not opinion when one points out contradictions and lies.

    It is not my "opinion" that Earth has experienced warming periods and cooling periods. It is fact.

    It is not my "opinion" that the 1970s saw many scientists claiming an ice age was coming. It is fact.
     
  9. Feb 2, 2011 #109 of 201
    Cholly

    Cholly Old Guys Rule! DBSTalk Club

    4,837
    45
    Mar 22, 2004
    Indian...

    Ummm... 3rd snowiest, LV. Also, if you look at the pictures of cars on Lake Shore Drive from the 1967 storm, athe snow is drifted deeper than the pictures ot the latest storm.

    http://www.chicagoweathercenter.com...nowiest-and-counting-20110202,0,7053742.story

    Also, neither Dr. Moore (ecology) nor John Coleman (journalism) is educated in climate science. They are both strongly opinionated regarding climate change, just as are the talking heads at Fox.
     
  10. Feb 2, 2011 #110 of 201
    Stewart Vernon

    Stewart Vernon Roving Reporter Staff Member Super Moderator DBSTalk Club

    21,579
    376
    Jan 7, 2005
    Kittrell, NC
    To be fair... that is not an entirely accurate statement.

    ALL scientists do not agree that the earth is warming. Whether it is or it isn't, there are scientists on both sides of the debate.

    Then there is the debate as to how much effect specific man-made things are having on any climate change... and there are scientists on both sides of that debate.

    These debates end up being a lot like sports... Michigan beats Ohio St, but the two schools don't stop playing football... they keep playing year after year, and some years one wins while other years the other wins. Both schools still have valid football programs.

    Scientists on all sides of climate change have opinions, theories, and evidence to support those opinions and theories... In this world there are very few "facts" known to science. Most true scientists will readily admit that they know very little, while they suspect a lot.

    It remains to be seen what theories will hold the most water over the coming years...and I suspect we will see scientists on both sides continue as well as some scientists switching sides of the debate as well. That's just how it goes.
     
  11. Feb 2, 2011 #111 of 201
    phrelin

    phrelin Hall Of Fame DBSTalk Club

    14,946
    295
    Jan 18, 2007
    Northern...
    So I guess all scientists agree that the climate is, was, and always has been, changing?
     
  12. Feb 2, 2011 #112 of 201
    James Long

    James Long Ready for Uplink! Staff Member Super Moderator DBSTalk Club

    45,324
    914
    Apr 17, 2003
    Michiana
    2011 was 3" less than 1967 (20.2 instead of 23) ... it hit at a different time of day, and Lakeshore drive has changed over the past 44 years.
     
  13. Feb 2, 2011 #113 of 201
    Lord Vader

    Lord Vader Supreme Member

    8,687
    38
    Sep 20, 2004
    Galactic Empire
    Indeed. The 1967 storm was unexpected. Forecasting at that time do not let people know what was about to hit them. This storm was known a week ahead of time. Still, as reported by numerous news/weather sources, this storm was much worse in terms of the winds and the effects from said winds.
     
  14. Feb 2, 2011 #114 of 201
    Nick

    Nick Retired, part-time PITA DBSTalk Club

    21,838
    186
    Apr 23, 2002
    The...
    ...and, according to my BS powered 2011 calendar, winter ain't over yet
     
  15. Feb 2, 2011 #115 of 201
    Lord Vader

    Lord Vader Supreme Member

    8,687
    38
    Sep 20, 2004
    Galactic Empire
    We only have two seasons here: winter and road construction, and they pretty much run all year round. :lol:
     
  16. Feb 2, 2011 #116 of 201
    James Long

    James Long Ready for Uplink! Staff Member Super Moderator DBSTalk Club

    45,324
    914
    Apr 17, 2003
    Michiana
    It was a single storm 20" vs 23" ... not the whole year.

    For South Bend (70 miles east of Chicago) the average year is 52" ... so far this winter we've seen over 91". I'm sure we'll easily break 100 before spring.
     
  17. Feb 2, 2011 #117 of 201
    SayWhat?

    SayWhat? Know Nothing

    6,259
    133
    Jun 6, 2009
    For whatever it's worth the guy on WGN says this one was worse because of the higher winds off the lake.
     
  18. Feb 3, 2011 #118 of 201
    Drucifer

    Drucifer Well-Known Member

    9,397
    244
    Feb 12, 2009
    NY Hudson...
    The arguing point, is how much is modern mankind contributing to the current change. Some people insist mankind has no effect, while others claim mankind has a significant effect on the change. While the vast majority don't know and don't give a damn.
     
  19. Feb 3, 2011 #119 of 201
    Drucifer

    Drucifer Well-Known Member

    9,397
    244
    Feb 12, 2009
    NY Hudson...
    The Northeast had blizzard conditions for the Christmas storm. It was one of worst storms I can remember because of the wind.
     
  20. Feb 3, 2011 #120 of 201
    Lord Vader

    Lord Vader Supreme Member

    8,687
    38
    Sep 20, 2004
    Galactic Empire
    FWIW, this storm's measurements were taken at O'Hare, Chicago's official recording station. In 1967 the city's official recording station was Midway, which recorded slightly more from yesterday's storm.

    I never understood the change in stations, because Midway is much closer to downtown (10 miles closer, in fact) and is in the city proper. O'Hare, however, was not even located in the city. Moreover, it stretches into two counties. It was quite a distance away but was annexed by the city for political reasons. It's "connected" to Chicago via a narrow strip of land 200-feet wide that runs from the city's northwest side out to O'Hare.

    It is widely believed that Midway's weather recording more accurately reflects Chicago's weather than does O'Hare.
     

Share This Page