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Looks Like NO HD for Me!

Discussion in 'DIRECTV General Discussion' started by tncolts, Oct 7, 2007.

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  1. Guindalf

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    How about looking around and seeing where your neighbors have their dishes? There must be some with D*! If you can find something with a similar setup as yourself, you could point it out to the installers and ask them to duplicate it!
     
  2. directech06

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    This will probably be called lame but have you people when you go to get SAT happen to have looked at the fact you have a acre lot more or less and it is so overrun in trees, ect... did you ever consider the fact that MAYBE your place would not be suitable for it?Upstream, your response has had more logic to it than anyones. Glad to see you.
     
  3. msmith198025

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    Yes i like to think i am. But when you make statements that include "you people" and "who would you bitch to then" it reads that way. Might not have been your intent, id just be a little more careful about how i worded things just to be sure. No biggie:)
     
  4. CJTE

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    Thanks, thats good to know. My ironwood guys are freaking awesome so I dont have to worry about it.
    But there was a post somewhere that said we only have 1 choice in regards to "free" installations.
     
  5. directech06

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    Welcome. I had to go out and fix some of their stuff before whether it was a problem or getting it up to code, wasn't happy.
     
  6. msfaulk

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    Who bitched at the installer? The OP seems to have handled things just fine. No indication of getting upset at the installer. It seems the supervisor was the rude one. I also don't recall anyone suggesting the OP should bitch at the installer, only call DTV and bitch at them. As for the 50 spot to do the job, that's on the installer if he does it. He knows the risks. He can take it or not. As the homeowner should also know the risk of a law suite if something goes wrong.
     
  7. jtn

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    DIY (Do It Yourself) if you know how.;) Or get cable tv, Verizon FiOS , AT&T if available in your area, and try Dish Network.
     
  8. directech06

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    Well said. Even if he accepts the money, the homeowner is still liable if something happens.
     
  9. directech06

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    It's actually 200-250 but anyway, thats the numeric position on a compass. You have to have that much clear line of sight to hit all 5 of the SAT's to get all of the signals you need with a elevation clearance at least 45 degree high plus. I'm assuming your dish was going to be a KA/KU. You put that monster on a roof, you better make sure you have the tripod that goes with it too and plenty of roof tar to seal all those lag bolts you'll use or a good T-Storm will tear that thing off your roof. Then you have to get it lined up with the correct elevation and tilt. If you've never done this before, you'll be hours hitting it if you ever get them all. You can try to hit SAT101 and get a good signal at 214 on the compass and try to tune the rest in by adjusting the elevation and tilt. Or invest in a good signal meter to tune it in with. You put it on the roof YOU will need it to retune it occasionally as the wind blows on it for a period of time. Good luck.
     
  10. pogo

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    ?huh?
     
  11. ChrisQ

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    Wrong. Do not be discouraged from asking the installer to climb on the roof based on the threat of being sued. As long as your roof is in proper shape, you have nothing to fear.

    Each state has their own wordings and different takes on the law, but there is one key word everywhere you go: NEGLIGENCE. There are 3 basic points you have to prove to win a personal injury case against a property owner:

    1. You first have to show that there was some dangerous condition that doesn't normally exist that caused you to be injured. If you knowingly climb on a steep roof you assume the risk of falling, same as if you knowingly stick your hand in a fire it's your own fault if you get burned.
    2. You then have to show that the property owner knew of or reasonably should have known of the dangerous condition that caused the accident.
    3. You finally must show that the property owner had time to fix the problem and NEGLECTED to correct it or neglected to warn you of it before the accident occurred.

    If you don't prove those 3 points to the extent demanded by whatever state you are in, you lose your case.

    I do agree completely with directech06 that it's not the installer's obligation to violate company policy to appease a potential customer. I'm glad the installers climbed on my roof or I'd have no D* either.
     
  12. directech06

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    I would never have made that claim without proof. I was not just blowing smoke. A DISH NETWORK tech that I don't know personally but know of from a family member in Louisiana was forced to do a roof mount to appease a customer against policy with a super dish a couple of years ago ended up getting hurt after he fell. The ground that his ladder was on ended up being on soft ground that gave and couldn't have been seen or predicted. He fell when the ladder sank enough to unbalance it on one side when he was getting back on it to get down from the roof. Ended up with a L-4, L-5 lumbar fusion surgery in his back and ended up between WC compromise and release settlement and suing the homeowner with $250,000. I think $130,000 of it came from the 3rd party suite of the customer. He was put into a situation he wasn't suppose to be put into, good roof, whatever, THEY ARE LIABLE.
     
  13. onin24eagle

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    Look, you get what you pay for.

    Unfortunately times have changed. Maybe a lot of you don't remember what it was like in '94. You would go to a retailer to buy the system for $699 for a single lnb dish and one receiver. You then paid approximately $150 to $200 for the same company you bought it from to install it to your liking. We once installed a dish on the side of a old, dead oak tree because that's where the guy wanted it intalled. My point is, the client knew exactly who he/she was dealing with from start to finish. They paid for it, and got excellent service.

    Today, you pay nothing! And, you get what you pay for. Directv has to hire subcontractors to do their work for them. Directv has litterally no control over the installs, and becuase they have to give us our free stuff, they don't pay enough to hire companies that will do things the correct way.

    To the original poster: Just go to a private retailer that does custom home theater installs, and pay them to get the job done correctly. Good luck.
     
  14. msmith198025

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    That may have been true in that case, but there also were probably factors that we dont know about. If you arent negligent, you are safe under the interpretation of the law.
     
  15. directech06

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    You people want to play Russian roulette with everything you own over TV, be my guest. If you end up being one of the ones that looses, (even though you won't ever admit it) you'll pay for how wrong you were. Trust me, I've been out there in the trenches and did it for 5 years and have seen and heard of it happening on more than one occasion.
     
  16. msmith198025

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    who is playing games over tv? None of us said we were. You act like no one has had a tv put on a roof and those that have are crazy for doing it. THe guy just asked for advice and people have given it. You gave him a warning and im sure he appreciates it, but everything is not as bad as you make it seem.
     
  17. directech06

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    msmith198025, you seem more intelligent than that. Read thru the thread again. There are people in here that directly or indirectly have said they have pushed the issue to or would to get what they want and don't think they should be or could be held accountable for it if someone gets hurt. Have they ever thought about the fact the the idiots that they manage to get to do something against insurance and/or company policy by offering them $50 bucks or whatever may be thinking "yea, I'll get me more money and if I get hurt, will get even more'. I've worked with people who have said that. How serious they were, thats debatable. Willing to take that chance, I wouldn't be. Also the guy who's too afraid to stand up for himself in fear of his job being forced into it. We all know how the judicial system works in this country. An attorney working on a suit like this goes and finds the most Liberal judge he can find to file the lawsuit with. If he does, you might as well put the nail in the coffin or stick a fork in, you're done. This is the ONLY time you will ever hear me say I agree with the Liberal part of our court system too cause I hate Liberals.
     
  18. msmith198025

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    Look, i see your point. However if everything is as safe as you can possibly make it and you arent negligent in the event the guy gets hurt, i dont see the problem. In 99% of the cases you would be covered. If the installer is that adamant about not doing roof installs he just shouldnt do it and you should get someone out who will if thats what you want.

    I disagree with your stance on that part of the judicial system. The type of people that have an accident, mainly from lack of paying attention on their part, and then sue just because they can are the reason that this country is in the shape its in. Kind of like that woman that sued because the coffee she spilled on herself was hot. Lawsuits should be left to when someone has been genuinly wronged , and an installer willingly going on a SAFE roof is not in that category IMO
     
  19. directech06

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    You don't think it's wrong to force an new employee scared for his job into situation like that? I do.
     
  20. msmith198025

    msmith198025 Member of the Year

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    Who is forcing him??? You ask and he says yes, how is that using force? If he doesnt want to do it he doesnt have to. If the company really does have a policy about no roof installs why would he get fired for not doing one even if the customer complained? Sometimes the "victim" has to take responsibility for his own actions.
     
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