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Lost Jobs because theyre shipped overseas.

Discussion in 'The OT' started by Steveox, May 10, 2004.

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  1. jonstad

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    The people who are hurt most are the factory workers who lose their jobs, most of which don't have 401(k)s to worry about, or not big enough ones that it matters much. They're trying to make next month's rent. The people with 401(k)s that DO matter are complaining because they're performing poorly even though businesses ARE moving overseas. Didn't the Dow just dip below 10,000 again?

    The reason costs are so high here is because we like clean air, clean water, clean streets, safe neighborhoods and workplaces and a Walmart and Home Depot on every corner, and streetlights, left-turn lanes and acres of tarmac so we can easily access them. And of course the SUVs and pick-ups to load all the cheap overseas crap we buy there back to our garages.
     
  2. mainedish

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    That won't happen in this election. The problem Democrats have is very simple, they have become Republicans. Bill Clinton signed into law almost everything the Republicans sent up to him. Why? Because he wanted to be a two term President. Bill Clinton lost the house and senate for you guys. And he was told by Dick Morris to run as a Republican. Don't blame anyone else. He passed more free trade bills then any other President. More jobs went overseas during the 1990's then ever. Vote for Ralph Nader if you want change. He is the real deal.
     
  3. Bogy

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    "Bill Clinton lost the house and senate for you guys"? I'm a disenfranchised Republican forced to be an Independent and to mostly vote Democrat on a national level because they are now Republicans, while the Republicans have become...I don't know what, but they aren't Republicans anymore. If Colin Powell or John McCain were to get the Presidential Nomination for President I could probably vote Republican again, but that ain't gonna happen. Instead, I'll have to vote for a moderate Democrat again, John Kerry.

    Isn't it interesting, you state that Bill Clinton signed what the Republicans sent up to him, but Republicans blame him for the results, not the Republicans in congress who wrote the legislature.
     
  4. mainedish

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    But a true Democrat would have said no and not signed them into law. But Clinton only cared about himself. Just look at what he's doing this summer. He is putting out his book. He knows it will take away the spotlight from Kerry but he's doing it anyway. Face it , The democrats don't stand for anything anymore. Why did they let the jobs leave this country in the 1990's ? If Kerry wins and the democrats take the house and senate you will see the same thing as you see now. They will not protect American Jobs.
     
  5. Strong

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    Thats why the Republicans are great 'politicians'. They believe in no compromise, my way or the highway! If you are not with us you are against us. Good Americans vs. Evil Americans.

    I remember during the Clinton years, one Repub (I don't recall who) saying that he didn't care if a particular piece of legislation was good for the country. If it helped Clinton, he was against it! To me, that was an eye opener into their mentality.

    To me, they have (probably growing) majorities, not because a majority of the folks agree with them (see popular vote count in 2000), but because they have a fantatical, win at all cost, burn the village (country) in order to save it mentality.

    Its actually an admirable position in a competition type of way but a despicable (see totalitarianism, facism, nazism) way to govern a nation.
     
  6. Strong

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    I may have to start smoking crack to understand what he says! Mmmm...with a nice Crystal Meth and Jack chaser...

    And please turn off that Avatar! Maybe your mind has turned to mush from watching that thing spin...:eek2:
     
  7. mainedish

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    And you can call republicans anything you want but almost all of the "Contract with America" passed . It was a Republican idea signed by a Democrat President. Remember Nader screaming about it? He hated it. And so did most democrats. But this is why I give Republicans credit. Clinton sold out his own party to win and he is doing it again. His book tour starts this summer.
     
  8. RichW

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    Except that when it came to "enforcing" that contract, the elephants had short memories. Pork comes in two flavors to suit the tastss of both political parties. There is really nothing different between "tax and spend" liberals and "borrow and spend" (so-called) conservatives. Except that more of teh federal budget has to go to interest. My grandkids will be the ones to suffer for Bush's spending spree.
     
  9. mainedish

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    The ones behind it (Newt) are gone. But to be fair , sometimes you need to have some debt to take care of our troops. I have no problem with the debt. We always bounce back.
     
  10. Timco

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    So Congress should only vote for bills along Party lines. No deviation?
    What kind of crap is that? Are you so entrenched in your dogmatic devotion to the Republican party that you can't see beyond party lines? Are you so blind that you can't see the problems faced by the Republican party?
     
  11. Danny R

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    And please turn off that Avatar! Maybe your mind has turned to mush from watching that thing spin...

    Its not spinning, it oscillating back and forth. ;)

    The scary part was its motion distracted me enough to observe it a few seconds to notice that.
     
  12. mainedish

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    What I am talking about is what has caused the democrats to lose just about everything. A Republican as Governor in California? I agree that Republicans have problems , They should stick to what they did in the 1990's but they still have the power. But both parties have never been this close. And the Democrats sold out more then the Republicans did. That's what you do when you think you may lose an election . If Clinton had not caused the democrats to lose both the house and the senate do you think the balance budget would have happened. No Way. He fell in line with the Republicans. I have to laugh when I think about it. More Republican ideas went thru during the 1990's under Clinton then ever before. The Republicans like him after 1994. Bob Dole never had a chance. Michael Moore called Clinton the best Republican President we ever had(Moore did not like Clinton)
     
  13. Strong

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    Nope, IMO only the Democrats sell out. Thats why the 'middle' has moved so far to the right.

    The Republicans would stab their own grandmother in the back if they thought it would help them win an election by one vote.
     
  14. mainedish

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    Democrats stab Democrat voters.
     
  15. Bogy

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    What you don't seem to get is that I wasn't looking for a "true democrat" to vote for. I'm not a democrat. I was looking for someone who expressed old time republican values, and Bill Clinton came closer to that than the republicans who ran against him. Evidently I wasn't the only one, since he won 2 terms. What you don't get is that most democrat governors come closer to being old time republicans than someone like George W. Bush. I voted for #41, but I cannot in good conscience vote for #43, because he isn't a "true" republican.
     
  16. Strong

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    I'm a registered Independant who lives in a 'safe' republican district. By safe, I mean that the Dems don't even bother to field a candidate. As such, I may have to change my registration to Republican so that I can have some slight say in who wins.

    As it is now, the most conservative of the republicans usually wins the nomination so they are guaranteed election. If I register as a Repub, at least I can vote in 'their' primary and have some hope of getting the lesser of evils! ;)
     
  17. Timco

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    If Clinton was such a good Republican, then why do you hate him so much?
     
  18. Bogy

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    Jealousy.
     
  19. mainedish

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    I hated Clinton number one. The one who ran for office. I liked Clinton number two who became a Republican. I hated Hillary Clinton number one and two however. My wife said something funny once, She said she looks like the kind of person who would turn you in if you forgot to mow you lawn. Oh, and I have on dvd a interview she did with a local newsman. It was live and when the interview ended they cut back to the newsroom and the lady did not know she was on the air and said " Wow, She really is a bit**" It was so funny. Even women hate her.
     
  20. Richard King

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    Thank you Ross Perot.
     
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