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Low cost Non-sports package

Discussion in 'General DISH™ Discussion' started by ClaudeR, Mar 9, 2006.

Poll: Would you like a Non-Sports low price package

  1. Most Definitely - Don't watch sports

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  2. Yes - Make the sports a separate package - like Latino or HiDef

    31 vote(s)
    67.4%
  3. Yes - Watch all my sports on local OTA

    11 vote(s)
    23.9%
  4. Heck NO - I want and NEED SPORTS CHANNELS

    4 vote(s)
    8.7%
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  1. Steve Mehs

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    While not scientific, there are 48 votes cast so far, 26 for No, 22 for Yes. With all the whining and screaming I'd expect it to be 12,942 against sports and 3 for it.

    Doesn't count. MSG should have been available to Western NY and Finger Lake area subs in AT60CD (original AT120) from the day Dish went on air. MSG is one of our RSNs and has always been and it's sad it took Empire going dead to get it carried. When Empire was around, DirecTV carried all four of our RSNs, Adelphia carried all four, Time Warner carried all four, Dish carried one. And it will go back to 4 again when SportsNet NY launches.
     
  2. ClaudeR

    ClaudeR Godfather

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    Us "whiners" are simply mad that we have to pay extra for high cost channels that we don't watch. I'm guessing the people who like sports are happy and don't want to rock the boat. Us whiners want to rock the boat and get a lower rate on a non-sports package.

    Even though ESPN is around $3 per customer (direct cost paid by Dish), that is around 10 percent of the AT60 package price; even more when you factor in the overhead and profit needed by Dish. It's completely rediculous.
     
  3. Steve Mehs

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    I don't like the fact taxes are taken out of my hard earned pay check to pay for services that I don't use. What should I do, call up NY State or Joel Giambra and say I don't travel on Main St that far down, I want you to not charge me for the construction that took place on Main and Kenmore Ave over the summer? Why should I pay for road construction on roads I don't travel on?

    Tiered packaging has worked well for years, ESPN as been around for what 2 decades and this is only now becoming an issue. A few more votes has been cast, but it still appears sports haters are still in the very vocal minority.

    I'm not really a sports fan, the day old man Wilson kicks the bucket and these Bills to go LA will be like Christmas for me.
     
  4. jrb531

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    It's becomming an issue now because ESPN is adding more and more channels and upping the cost far beyond what other teir 1 channels charge.

    -JB
     
  5. fchall

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    Are you really trying to compare the cities infrastructure needs to a bunch of sports fans viewing choices.:rolleyes:
     
  6. harsh

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    A "premium" sports package carries material that isn't likely to make it to DVD. This is one of the reasons that I think that sports channels should not be lumped into the same class as movies. As Laverne suggested, sports can be a good diversion. You can't rent sports events as readily as you can rent movies.

    Because D* segregated its regional sports into a separate package, I chose E*. I like to have access to Speed and FoxSports once in a while, but I couldn't bring myself to see it itemized $11 charge on my monthly bill for the pleasure of getting out-of-market broadcasts. Cable relegated Speed to a $6 "obscure" tier that was only recently added to the "Platinum Plus" package.

    If my alma mater were in a different region, I might consider it.
     
  7. Steve Mehs

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    Yes, Yes I am
     
  8. Greg Bimson

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    And in Steve's defense, I'd agree...

    You pay your taxes to the government, but you don't get to tell the government how they can spend your money. The government can spend your dollars on something you will never use.

    You pay your subscription to the satellite company, but you don't get to tell the satellite company how they can spend your money. The satellite company can spend your dollars on something you will never use.
     
  9. vahighland

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    WHAT! You should be telling your government how to spend your money. Not that they will always do what you or even the majority wants, but if you just sit around and do nothing, then you deserve what you get. You can write your representatives and on the local level you can voice your concerns in open public forums. And you can vote. And you can assemble.

    BTW, a city's desire for a sports arena is not even in the same league as a city's infrastructure needs. You can't tell me that the desire to watch a sporting event is the same as the need to receive water services.
     
  10. ClaudeR

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    Wow, interesting analogy, but I fear is no-where near the point. This is an optional entertainment item where Dish relies on it's customers for income. The government analogy, although interesting, has nothing to do with the private entertainment industry. I am voicing my opinions to try influencing the satellite pig. I am sure they follow these forums, so I'm trying to plant the seed...
     
  11. Greg Bimson

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    And I can pay my taxes so that elected officials can spend the money I gave any way they see fit. I can voice my concerns, but it doesn't even amount to a hill of beans.
    Never made mention of it...

    but that doesn't stop governments from spending hundreds of millions of dollars to build some type of revenue-generating city infrastructure, without addressing water services. And I can certainly ask my governmental representatives to take my tax money and put it to use for rebuilding utility infrastructure as opposed to stadia, but it has about as much of a chance happening as George Bush being re-elected.
    And I am telling you how the seed has grown. Since this is the "private entertainment industry", paying for this "optional entertainment" service is not essential. There are other entertainment choices where you can divert your dollars.

    You certainly aren't the first person to try and plant this seed, and you won't be the last. Unless there is government intervention in what the free market has already decided, a la carte will not be an option. Or, as this thread points out, there will not be a "sports-only" package without some kind of government intervention.

    Bundling is bundling. When FCC Commissioner Martin stressed the need for family-oriented programming and a la carte, the cable and DBS companies jumped to scramble a package of family-friendly programming. Not a la carte. Instead, when these operators sat in front of Congress a couple of months later, some representatives complained that the family packages were doomed to fail because of a lack of sports programming.

    And once again, why should the likes of ESPN throw themselves off of the basic tier and migrate to an all-sports tier, while others such as Fox News, Discovery and A&E stay on basic? Simply because a few people don't want to pay for sports programming, only because they feel it makes up a significant chunk of their bill?
     
  12. Stewart Vernon

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    Think of the first tier like front row seats at your favorite event... and ESPN like you...

    If you had season tickets in the front row to whatever event (sports or concerts or whatever) why would you give them up to sit in the back?

    Perspective is also worth keeping in mind here... because many of the same people who declare ESPN or Dish or whomever "evil" for their tiers and packages... would do exactly the same thing if they were running a business.

    Case-in-point, the example I often cite... Most people working white-collar 8 hr a day salaried jobs aren't actually working 8 hrs a day... there is "relaxing" and "goof off" time and "breaks"... but you wouldn't want your employer sticking a monitor on you and just paying for your productive time would you? Technically you cheat the company if you don't work 100% of the time you are paid for... be careful what you wish for. If all things were pay-for-play then we'd all lose.
     
  13. Stalky14

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    People have to keep in mind one thing: The existence of an A-la-carte or theme-based
    system does not preclude the existence of the current tiered structure. The two can
    exist side by side. All customers could get what they want, and E* could figure out
    a way to profit from it. Only the programmers would "suffer" on account of the
    handful of people who choose to opt out and use the new structures.
     
  14. jrb531

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    If I was ESPN I would not want to have to stand on my own.

    But does this make it right?

    -JB
     
  15. cebbigh

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    As long as I could watch local teams, I'd be willing to skip ESPN. But I do wonder how this would effect ESPN-HD and the various Voom channels that are sports orientated?
     
  16. the_bear

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    Then why liven in NY? There are many more conservative states.
     
  17. fchall

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    First; you can tell the government how to spend tax dollars through your votes for your representatives.

    Second; You can refuse to pay the satelite or cable company as a form of protest with no consequence.
    Try that with your taxes.:rolleyes:
     
  18. Greg Bimson

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    First, you cannot tell the government how to spend tax dollars by voting for your representative. One can only hope that by voting for a representative that holds the same ideals as you, the representative's votes would be how you'd vote. That belief is few and far between.

    On the second, you are 100 percent correct. IF you wish to change the system, THEN do not play in it. Change happens when the evaluation of cause and effect makes a company believe they aren't doing business as well as they should. Leaving as a customer of a company is the only true way to make a company change its' policies.
     
  19. fchall

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    "On the second, you are 100 percent correct. IF you wish to change the system, THEN do not play in it. Change happens when the evaluation of cause and effect makes a company believe they aren't doing business as well as they should. Leaving as a customer of a company is the only true way to make a company change its' policies."

    Which is really my main point to those comparing the paying of government taxes to paying for entertainment. There is only one you can opt out of and it's not government( short of leaving the country and renouncing your citizinship :) )
     
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