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Loyal Directv Customer Calling it Quits

Discussion in 'DIRECTV General Discussion' started by bnglbill, Apr 10, 2009.

  1. jpl

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    I think you were misinformed by the installer. What he told you makes no sense at all. The motorola boxes that Verizon uses have multiple outputs. I know people with FiOS who've done exactly what you're doing - you most definitely could run the output to an RF modulator and from there to two separate TVs. If you wanted to control the DVR from the other room you'd need an RF remote, but what you're talking about most definitely can be done.

    In fact, with most of their boxes (one of their model DVRs, which they no longer install, is the exception) have RF outputs on them. So you could even dispense with the RF modulator. And to be honest, the RF outputs on these suckers are really good. One of my beefs with the equipment I had with DirecTV (I had a Hughes SD box, a DirecTV Tivo box, and a couple R15s) - the RF output on them (all of them) sucked. That's not the case with these boxes - I have both an RF hookup and a s-video hookup on one of my TVs, from one of their SD boxes. To be honest, the S-video is sharper... but not by much. There are times when I have the TV on the tuner input, and I don't realize that I'm not on the S-video input.

    What's more, they carry your locals (SD, HD, and digital subchannels) and digital music channels (Music Choice and Urge Radio) in the clear. If you have a TV with a QAM tuner you don't need a box at all to get those channels.

    All the STB outputs are on simultaneously too, so that's not an issue at all. I have FiOS, and I have HDMI going from the DVR to my main TV. I also have the composite audio going out directly to a sound system. That way I can listen to the Music Choice channels without having to have the TV turned on.

    One final point - the notion that you're not allowed to do a self-install of boxes isn't right either. I don't know if the installer can just leave a box at your house without hooking it up, but you can order a box from them which they'll ship to you which you can then install yourself. I did that. When Verizon eliminated their analogs, they offered up free 'digital adapters' (very pared down STBs) for free to existing customers. I took one. It got shipped to my house. I ran the cabling myself, and did the 'install' (activation) of the box myself.
     
  2. smokes20

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    Thanxs for this info. My FIOS internet and phone was installed back in Sept 07 and he was the one who gave me this info. Installs may have changed since then. I do know my neighbors who have FIOS TV tell me mine PQ is much better than their's.

    I don't have signal issues with DTV. All issues I have even had have been handled almost seamless with CSR's. With the exception of my rants, complaints and occasional kudos with Hotpass I am satisfied with my service from DTV. I know I am paying slightly more by not getting FIOS TV, but cha know - sometimes it isn't a matter of money but the quality of the product and service that deserves that extra $$ or two.
     
  3. Ken S

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    Two people I know that used to have 1TB DirecTV setups are now on FIOS. They both tell me they don't miss the disk space at all because just about everything they would record is available on the FIOS VoD system in HD. They report playback from that system is instantaneous and the PQ as excellent.
     
  4. mreposter

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    "Weird" meaning "nice", I'd assume? :lol: /steve
     
  6. jpl

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    Yep that would be me. Although, I was never a power DVR user in the past - even when I had two R15s, they both recorded largely the same stuff (so I could watch stuff on both TVs), I still had both DVRs pretty full. Verizon does have a decent library of VOD (not as good as say Comcast, but getting bigger all the time). They have a number of network shows on ABC, CBS, and NBC, and yes, VOD starts up just about instantly (takes a second or two to get into VOD, but once there it's pretty fast). And the PQ on their VOD really is excellent.
     
  7. jpl

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    Absolutely. If you're really happy with DirecTV, don't switch. There's no reason to. No service is for everyone. I can't speak to the comparisons of their HD PQ (never had HD with DirecTV), but I do have to say that FiOS HD really is pretty spectacular. And their SD is considerably better than DirecTV's. I never had any complaints about DirecTV's SD (only had it on a 27" SDTV, and for a very short time on my 32" HDTV), but when I got hooked up with FiOS, I could immediately see the difference. The picture was sharper, with very few compression artifacts. The picture was more vibrant, and just seemed to pop - it had more depth, if that makes any sense.

    In any event, like I said, if you're happy, then don't switch. I just wanted to clarify what that installer told you. It's bunk. :)
     
  8. smokes20

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    Think I had a fairly new installer who wanted to play by the rule book. In any case, as long as DTV is good to me I will continue to be a subscriber. Now to give credit to the FIOS installer, he did leave me lots of cable should I decide to do my own ethernet install. However, only the 360 is wired to the router. I use wireless for my MBP and itouch.

    As to comparing PQ, it really does depend on the tv as well. My first HDtv was a 63" Toshiba projection, which is now used by the 360. New tv is a 52" Sharp LCD 1080i that I picked up from BB on sale. The SD is ok, but the majority of our viewing is HD. No complaints from me at all. :D
     
  9. bnglbill

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    Their dvr's do support ESATA.
     
  10. bnglbill

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    I would say HD PQ is about the same but with FIOS, I haven't heard the dreaded bRRRRRRUP yet. SD is definitely better. The guide in my opinion sucks but it does the job.
     
  11. Steve

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    There is an eSATA port on the newer QIP 6416, but no drivers, as of 1/28/09. Anything change since then? /steve
     
  12. bnglbill

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    They say it is available but I haven't done the research or pressed the issue because I really don't need it at this time.
     
  13. jpl

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    Actually, I think that's the QIP7216 - that's the replacement for the 6416. It's the 7216 that has the eSATA port, I believe.
     
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    That is correct The 7216, the Multiroom HD DVR.
     
  15. bidger

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    I can appreciate that and I certainly can't blame you for giving FIOS a spin, but "Loyal" would mean you're not leaving. "Fairly Content DIRECTV Customer..." would be more appropriate IMO.

    Like I said, if I had that option, I'd have to give FIOS a go, but Verizon doesn't seem to care to compete with TWC in my area and I've reached a point where 1.5Mbps down doesn't cut it anymore. I'm paid for this month, but on Easter I asked the folks I visited, Road Runner customers, to check to see if they have a referral program for someone switching from Verizon, something like the $50 reward program DIRECTV has. If it's a go, I'll check their Business plans to attempt to get past their caps. I'm thinking of doing TracPhone as a substitute for landline. When I cancel Verizon tell them to call me only if and when FIOS is an option in my area.

    I know it's still vaporware at this point, but XstreamHD is definitely a service I have my eye on. And the nice thing is you don't have to drop your existing multichannel service, just use it along with it.
     
  16. jpl

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    I don't want to turn this into a FiOS thread, but both the 6416 and the 7216 can act as the multi-room DVR (I have the 6416 MR DVR). Functionally both are exactly the same. The key differences - the 7216 has more memory (not harddrive space, but more internal memory), supports eSATA, has an RF output (for some reason the 6416 doesn't), and supports a cable card.

    It's that last item that makes the 7216 the replacement for the 6416. Per a new FCC reg (effective 7/1/07) all cable companies are required now to use STBs that can accept cable cards. Verizon (along with other small cable companies that requested it) were given a temporary waiver - one year for advanced boxes (e.g. HD DVRs) and two years for basic boxes (e.g. SD STB). The 7216 makes Verizon compliant with that regulation.
     
  17. jpl

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    Again, don't want to take this OT, but check into TWC's metered billing. They've been rolling it out in areas where there is no direct competition from FiOS. That's going beyond caps - basically it's pay per bit, if you will... although to mitigate it to some extent, TWC is introducing some really basic plans - but with pretty hefty penalties if you excede the caps.
     
  18. bnglbill

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    "Loyal" would mean you're not leaving. "Fairly Content DIRECTV Customer..." would be more appropriate IMO.

    Well, let me just clear this up, I have been a loyal customer for many years and now I am not but only because Directv has not been loyal to me.
     
  19. bidger

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    You mention "irreconcilable differences" in your original post, somewhat vague, would you like to clarify how DIRECTV wasn't loyal to you?

    ETA: Nevermind, I think I found your explanation in Lord Vader's thread.
     
  20. bnglbill

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    Nope, don't want to get into it here, I said what I said and that's it. I've had my discussions with Directv Retention and on up the line, believe me, they know what they have done and that is all that is important.
     

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