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Mad Men: "Commissions and Fees" OAD 6/04/12 **SPOILERS**

Discussion in 'TV Show Talk' started by phrelin, Jun 4, 2012.

  1. Stuart Sweet

    Stuart Sweet The Shadow Knows!

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    What's funny is that until I saw it in print from you, phrelin, I was unable to identify the American Association of Advertising Agencies (AAAA==4 A's) because I had misheard it as Fourier's (said with a French accent.) I thought it might be an engineering club. Now I know why his coworkers thought it such an honor.
     
  2. Maruuk

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    And the reason Don couldn't conceive of why this "starting over" was such a big problem for Lane is that Don was always young and devastatingly handsome during all of his "starting over" moments and always was given a huge benefit of the doubt bailout each time.

    Lane had none of Don's advantages, and none of his flexible moral code.
     
  3. Laxguy

    Laxguy Honi Soit Qui Mal Y Pense.

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    The gift of the XKE....I thought that Lane's wife had her own financial resources, but perhaps didn't share much at all with Lane. Another blow to his self esteem if true. Anyone else have that take?
     
  4. jdskycaster

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    Killing off the characters or having them exit in other ways appears to be the strategy AMC is taking to reduce the cost of producing the show. The show is still far more clever than most anything else running but from my perspective the last couple episodes are proof of how difficult it can be to keep the momentum going.

    This episode in particular just felt as if there was a specific agenda of bullets that had to be covered prior to the finale.
    - Must kill Lane
    - Peggy must leave the agency (I may have missed it but she was not included in any of the previews for the final)
    - Joan has to degrade herself to become a partner in a single episode
    - Megan continues to be the struggling actress but could have a successful audition at any moment and be sent off somewhere else (if they axe her I would leave)
    - Sally becomes a woman (did we really need to see this?) but maintains her relationship with Glen who is either a great actor playing a truly sociopathic kid where he will eventually rape and murder Sally or just a really bad actor who is supposed to be playing a normal teenage boy.
    - Nothing is going on with Roger, that can only mean he is in limbo as well. He needs to quickly be involved in an interesting plot line or they kill him off. In either case the show continues on a downward spiral.

    Don's character seems to be taking the high road in order to extend the story arc just in case AMC decides they really want to continue to fund this effort. Eventually Don will return to his old habits and self destruct in the end - most likely right after Megan is sent away on an acting gig.
     
  5. Laxguy

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    Guffawed out loud!
    Though I don't see Glen as a true sociopath.... And Sally's arc would seem to have her fly high above the Glen's of the world, should her story be developed. And the scene of her discovery was shocking to me at the time, though it's receded into the b/g and is no biggie now.

    And, yes, there must be movement, which sometimes calls for the dispatching of some of the principals, and introducing new characters. No one new has been introduced for a while, though. At least no one interesting.
     
  6. Maruuk

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    This obsession with psycho Glen must be related to him being Weiner as a boy. It is so far afield from the main story and so time-consuming as to be truly annoying. Though I loved his reaction when Sally tells him that was her mom on the phone. "Your MOM!?" hehe. I can see him hacking Betty up for lunch for sure!
     
  7. phrelin

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    I always read the AdAge review of "Mad Men" as it gives a different perspective. This weeks review Happiness Defined, Unhappily is worth reading in full, but here's one thing about this episode I didn't really understand:
     
  8. Laxguy

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    Nah. Betty initiates him into manhood, and he coins the phrase m.i.f.....
     
  9. Maruuk

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    I wouldn't rule that out for next season! I wonder if he still has that lock of her hair?
     
  10. Maruuk

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    Holy crap, I had forgotten Glen is Weiner's actual son! That explains everything!
     
  11. Steve

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    From today's NYT.com:

     
  12. Laxguy

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    There's also an interview on Tavis Smiley, first aired 5-29 on PBS (Ch 9, SF; 30 min.) with Weiner.
     
  13. Gloria_Chavez

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    Wow. You guys rock, especially Phrelin.

    Don, responsible for two suicides. Relieved that the note left behind was merely a "boilerplate" resignation.

    Museum date. Loved the dialogue. In fact, this was my second favorite episode, after "The Suitcase" - "Yeah, sometimes when I walk by playgrounds".

    Phrelin, major difference between McKinsey and Goldman is revenue model. McKinsey bills out people on an hourly basis. Business not scaleable. Goldman charges client 7% when raising money, or a % when conducting M&A. Very scaleable business model. Much more profitable.

    My understanding is that many agencies still use commissions, however. When I started a Career Guide at Stanford many of the ad agencies our clients worked with charged them the standard 15% commission. Here's another take on agency revenues..

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    http://articles.businessinsider.com...ia-ceo-paul-palmieri-mobile-ads#ixzz1r7u0QWE4

    If this type of arrangement sounds familiar, that's because it is: In the old, analog world of Madison Avenue such pass-through costs for media placement are referred to as "billings," not revenue, because that money was never destined for the agency's top or bottom lines. Online ad servers tend to keep more of the billings they handle (Google keeps about 65 percent of its revenues; traditional ad agencies keep about 10 percent). Millennial keeps roughly 40 percent of its billings.
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    In order to figure out how revenue would change, Cooper had to look at how revenue at the firm would have been impacted by going to hourly rates. He would have concluded that the commission model is FAR superior, at least for the firm.
     

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