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Mark Foley...another hypo bytes the dust

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  1. Oct 9, 2006 #181 of 213
    Geronimo

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    No he was equating it with their willingness to vote at all.
     
  2. Oct 9, 2006 #182 of 213
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    Yes JM;
    what you say may be somewhat true, how evever, Editorials are not a barometer for much other than voter influence for the left. Rarely do Conservatives follow lock step with editorials because for the most part most Conservatives have disdain for the media.. and more analytical on their own.
    Secondly the Right, so to speak, are not as militantly vocal in public, as say in restaurants or community meetings. They remain more reserved in their "demonstration" of approval/disapproval. I hesitate to use better mannered but I have to.
    Most of all even if we are not satisfied with our party in toto, we do not throw out the baby with the bath water. We see and understand the alternative and that is a lot worse from our view point.

    General;
    That a interesting list.
    What I noticed emmediatly, and this goes to pretty much to what people that disbelieve polls, Is that the more conservative pollsters [Bloomberg, Gallup, FOX, WSJ ] have significant different numbers and less disapprovals that the perceived left wing pollsters. Methodology?
     
  3. Oct 9, 2006 #183 of 213
    Capmeister

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    I don't think many believe that the Republican voters will decide to vote for Democrats. They need not--they need only stay home. Or, like those in my case who have voted Republican more times than not, who will be voting Libertarian.
     
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    Geronimo

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    Actually I think that many conservatives move pretty much in lockstep with the conservative media. Once someting is on Fox news or in the right wing blogosphere it spreads like wildfire all through the net.
     
  5. Oct 9, 2006 #185 of 213
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    EEEMMM, I don't agree. That willingness or not to vote is from the pre "93" template. The recent trend appears to turn that on its head. The concervatives , the old "silent majority", though still silent day to day has been turning out regardless of what the liberals and the complicet media are wishing for. As a matter of fact the more the media hypes poor conservative turn out the more angry and energiesed the right gets. "stick it in their buttt" anger when they hear lies and decete from the likes of Polosi and Kennedy et al etc.... It Really started with Goldwaters' defeat and the lessons learned and exploded with the Nixon win in presidental elections and carried over to the congreesional in the late 80s and contues now.

    I for one, though not happy with everythig, am more cranked up to vote now than ever. I understood long ago that the Congress and the administration can not make me happy in all things, but that does not transalate into throw the bums out or sit on my can and let the party, and its agenda, I rejected in my late teens early 20s take control of my beautiful country and turn it into a socialist state.

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  6. Oct 9, 2006 #186 of 213
    bear paws

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    That much I agree with to a point, Chief. The reason may be that we feel like the lone wolf in the wilderness calling out in amongst the DIN of the left media. But when we hear a freindly call we rally around to show our strenght, support, and unity for those that are willing to make that call against a common threat.
    When all is "right" we go about our lone and independant life styles with out much fan fare or howling.;)

    IOW when we hear distant drums we know its not for dinner.:nono:

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  7. Oct 9, 2006 #187 of 213
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    Perhaps. But all I ws commenting on was that he quoted only part of an earlier posters contribution and the original poster was clearly saying something very different from what he calimed.
     
  8. Oct 9, 2006 #188 of 213
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    I am almost at a loss for words. I think it's great that your commitment to religious ideals hasn't crippled your logic. Often I see a very unhealthy applications of religion and it scares me for our country. I salute you and others who are capable of balancing their faith and reason. The "new" Republican party has been exploiting people's faith to their own aims and forgetting we aren't a theocracy.
     
  9. Oct 9, 2006 #189 of 213
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    You really think there is that much difference in this issue? Republicans accuse Democrats of being the party of "cut and run" because they want to set a time table to bring the troops home. This will supposedly give the terrorists a timetable to not cause trouble, until the U.S. has left, at which time they will rise up and take over Iraq. However, Republicans are feeling more and more pressure, and exerting more and more pressure on the administration, to find a way out of Iraq, so their solution is to have a checklist of things that show Iraq is ready to handle things on their own. And this is different how? All the terrorists have to do is stay low until the checklist is all checked off and the U.S. goes home, and then they can rise up and take over. The only thing different is the name.
     
  10. Oct 9, 2006 #190 of 213
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    If only I and others could take back the party that was stolen from us in the late seventies and eighties from the self-righteous right. Many of us are pretty cranked up about voting as well. We are tired of the lies coming from the right.
     
  11. Oct 9, 2006 #191 of 213
    Geronimo

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    This will hurt the Republicans. You can pretend otherwise all that you want but it dies not take much to figure out that it will.
     
  12. Oct 9, 2006 #192 of 213
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    This may be an assumption on my part but usaully self righteous refers to the self righteous christian right. So....

    "Progressive" can be a two edged sword. :) I don't recall the republican party being that much differant when I voted for Goldwater. I watched the Gore Vidal/ Bill Buckley Debate mid 60s and thought there was quite a bit of religous postering there too but even as a boarder line atheist I did not find it so offensive to cause me to go back to a officially godless secular and boarderline socialist party. Still am and still don't and won't.

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  13. Oct 9, 2006 #193 of 213
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    No doubt, this is the last thing we needed but however we will not stick our head in the sand and give up. Win or lose we are not a party of defeatists. There is still time on the clock and if past history is any indicator it ain't over yet. If we lose, then there is "next year".:)

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  14. Oct 9, 2006 #194 of 213
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    There's a part of me (OK, it's a really, really, really small part) that would like to see the R*'s keep control of both houses. Another two more years of unchecked shenanigans from Dubya & Co. would almost guarantee windfall for the D*s during the next presidential elections. Hey, even Hillary could win!!! :lol:

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  15. Oct 9, 2006 #195 of 213
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    Who said anything about giving up? I just said that all of tehs tatements about how it amkes no difference are wrong. But believe it or not I would not even want republicans to give up----and therefore never mentioned it.
     
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    Interesting editorial from today's Seattle PI. I think there are more and more democrats as well as republicans who tend to be fiscally conservative and at least moderately liberal on social issues who are looking for a good candidate to get behind regardless of which party they come from. I put myself in that camp.

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    They let you be a spook with a background in the Communist Party. No wonder the country is in such trouble. :nono2: :eek2:
     
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    Just some continuing news. A lot of accusations have been flung, but we yet to have any indictiment. From CNN:
    http://www.cnn.com/2006/LAW/10/09/foley.law/index.html

     
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    And I might even argue whether this story deserves as much media attention its getting. Apparently far worse offenses are unpunished.
    http://www.denverpost.com/jonbenet/ci_4448371
    Not sure who screwed up, but someone did. If anyone deserved to be off the streets as a threat to children - it was Karr.
     
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    I don't think that Republicans will do very well if they argue that it really isn't all that bad or say that there are worse criminals out there than Foley.

    This whole thing ignited a long smoldering resentment of politicians in general and some feelings that things like this get swept under the rug when political advantage is at stake. Some of those feelings may very well be the undoing of enough Republicans to shift the balance---we will see. But when people are angry enough it is the party in power that suffers and the sduffering tends to be greater if you look like you think that the problem is not really that severe.

    As for whether Karr or Foley is worse I don't care. I would like to see each punished for waht they have sone. Foley is out of the house which is a good start. Karr i suspect will trip up at some point and I suspect that he is being watched.

    But i think that the republican leadership has the right idea when they try to look like they are doing something about what happened not trying to minimize it.
     
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