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Mass shooting @ Connecticut elementary school. 20 children killed.

Discussion in 'The OT' started by cj9788, Dec 14, 2012.

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  1. damondlt

    damondlt New Member

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    OK so lets focus only on getting people mental help, Even though we have know idea who needs it.
    And by the time we figure it out they already committed a school shooting.


    We leave school security as is, and we just ban AR's

    Well I don't know about you but, if this above happends , I'm putting my kid in cyber school.
    Because you will never heal an unstable person who shows no sign but just a snap one day.
     
  2. damondlt

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    Yep and they would have seen him on camera before he entered, and called police

    Again you can't say it wouldn't have worked, you don't know cause it wasn't there.
     
  3. damondlt

    damondlt New Member

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    What illness do you have?
     
  4. houskamp

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    yep and it's all over before they get there, just like what happened..
     
  5. houskamp

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    aspergers.. took them till I was 40 to figuire it out..
     
  6. damondlt

    damondlt New Member

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    OK but does that mean you want to kill?

    If so then I'm sure help can be found.

    But my point, is you are not going to know everyone thoughts.
    And judging by your Directv setup page and conversations here, one would be hard pressed to know you have an illness.
     
  7. fluffybear

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    You sure put a lot of faith in some $12.00 High School graduate. :sure:

    Laws also would need to be changed in many states in order for Mr. $12.00 to carry a gun on campus. Even law enforcement officers are not allowed to carry a gun on campus even while in uniform (unless it's an 'official' call).
     
  8. BattleScott

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    Then you must equally SHARE it. There was a ban on "assault weapons" in place for a decade and you let it expire. You chose not to fight hard enough to keep it, or to fight to replace it with more effective legislation.

    If it is as simple and as plain as you see it, then there is no excuse for not being able to accomplish the ban you deisre. Just get off your ass and take action.
     
  9. fluffybear

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    And you can not say that it would have worked either! The guard could have been taking a leak or making rounds or getting himself a coffee or chatting up one of the ladies in the office.

    The shooter could have approached the school wearing a over coat. After all, we are talking CT. in mid-December not Miami. Someone approaching wearing a large overcoat would not have looked out of place.
     
  10. houskamp

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    basically the money and time spent on security would be much better spent on the kids..
     
  11. James Long

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    Not speaking for Houskamp but has there ever been a time you wanted to kill?

    I believe it is part of human nature (the bad part) to want to kill. To have something anger you so much that you want to strike out. Perhaps the most that people do is get mad and yell (particularly noticable anonymously on the internet in forums) when they are angry. The loss of control is there.

    The "something snaps" that turns bad thoughts into worse actions is the threshold that is the difference between "sane" and "insane".

    As for Auspergers, as mentioned long ago in this thread (and not specifically about Houskamp) there can be a highly developed sense of right and wrong. And just like one can convince a soldier that it is OK to kill in war (even to kill a person who is not an immediate threat) the mental connection can be made that whatever wrong the shooter was trying to correct or avenge could rightfully be solved by breaking into that school and killing people who may or may not be the ones who "wronged" him but represented those who did. The 20 kids are harder to "rationalize" ... but remember "something snapped" and just like a veteran with PTSD bad things can happen.

    The preferred term would be disability ... although it is one that can be worked through. As noted before, by nephew has Auspergers. He can be a productive member of society.
     
  12. James Long

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    Yeah ... a guy stops in the fire lane just after classes starts and goes up to the door. Unless the guns are visible the nature of the business is unknown. He could be bringing a child's forgotten lunch. No problem is seen until the door is down and then it is a race of the guard vs the perp.

    The "call 911" part was done quickly. As soon as the incident began the call was made. About the only way a call could have been quicker would have been a hard wired panic button. The police were there within minutes. It all happened too quickly.

    I don't believe it would have been wrong to have a guard there but I don't see where in this case it would have made a difference.
     
  13. SayWhat?

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    Information I heard that morning was that the first arriving PD unit heard shots. For that to be true, they must have been there within a very short time.
     
  14. MysteryMan

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    We're wasting our time. The anti gunners can't see the forest for the trees.
     
  15. MysteryMan

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    Carl, while the anti gunners say they are not against the 2nd Amendment, hunting, and sport shooting their true goal is to ban the sale and ownership of firearms. They just don't have the gonads to come out and say it. Since JFK was assassinated everytime a shooting tragedy occured more gun laws were added and current ones tightened up as you put it. As I have repeatedly posted, the "thousands" of gun laws on the books did absolutely nothing to prevent what happened in Newtown, Connecticut. I have pepeatedly posted that the real solution is criminal control and addressing mental illness. But it has fallen on deaf ears. I agree, American society has a serious violence addiction. Hollywood has been bombarding us via movies and television with violent themed productions. To a small degree so has certain elements of the music industry. Look at the video gaming industry. The most popular games are riddled with violence. Same with sports. Cage fighting has become a very profitable PPV event. And although outlawed, dog fighting and co*k fighting continues. But as you stated Carl, who want's to talk about that.
     
  16. MysteryMan

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    Then why do anti gunners continuously ignore the real issues, criminal control and addressing mental illness?
     
  17. MysteryMan

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    +1......Adam Lanza was 20. He commited three felonies prior to the school shooting. His first criminal act was illegal possession of a handgun. Under Connecticut law you must be 21 to legally posses a handgun. His second criminal act was murdering his mother. His third criminal act was carrying a handgun without a permit to carry. Parents have a tendency to overlook their children's shortcomings. But that doesn't excuse his mother from getting him the help he needed and safeguarding the firearms she owned. Her failure caused her her life, her son's life, and the lives he took at the school.
     
  18. trh

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    It will be interesting to see how and where the mother obtained the bushmaster. According to CT's Governor, they have a ban on assault weapons, but the lack of federal laws make it impossible to keep them out of CT (his words).

    In the meantime, my adopted state of FL issued a press statement last week bragging we "are one million strong" as the state is about to issue it's one millionth CCW permit.
     
  19. Cholly

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    MM - it seems you are rushing to the conclusion that all who advocate stricter gun control are "anti gunners". This is definitely untrue. Over the past few days, many NRA members who have previously resisted gun laws have changed their minds and have come out publicly in favor of stronger laws, many of which have been lobbied against by the NRA's governing body. The NRA has been strangely silent over the past several days. If you have not done so, please take the time to watch this video of Joe Scarborough (MSNBC's "Morning Joe", a staunch gun proponent and NRA member.) from his Monday morning program. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036789/ns/msnbc-morning_joe/#50222624
    Also, please note the number of senators and public figures who are NRA members who have come out publicly to call for new controls.

    These people are certainly not anti gunners. Also, people who do not themselves own guns are not necessarily anti gunners. I personally have never owned a gun. The last time I shot one was at the Army's range in Sea Bright, NJ, while I was stationed at Fort Monmouth after the Korean war. I'm not a hunter -- I'm opposed to sport/trophy hunting but have nothing against hunting for food (including deer, elk, grouse, etc.) if the hunter is willing to field dress his/her kill and then either consume it or give to the needy for consumption. For them to display hides/heads, etc. of their kill is perfectly reasonable.

    I've no argument with people who choose gun ownership, whether it be for sport (target shooting on a range, for example) or personal protection (handguns, possibly shotguns), nor am I against handgun ownership or concealed carry by people who are law abiding citizens and have undergone proper training. On the other hand, I'm somewhat suspicious of people who go overboard as self-proclaimed gun collectors.
    Will tighter gun control eliminate acts such as the one at Newtown? Of course not. It would be incredibly naive to think it would. However, the potential for such acts would be greatly reduced.
    As late as the end of the 1800's, gun ownership for many was a necessity for self protection. Times have changed.
     
  20. BattleScott

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    It would depend on the model, but just about any Bushmaster would be technically banned in CT. But don't let that fool you too much, the CT ban is just a copy and paste of the expired federal ban from 1994. It only addresses certain features that make them easier to conceal, not anything that makes them any more deadly. Just about any bushmaster (or other semi-automatic) rifle is perfectly legal in CT as long as they don't have folding stocks and/or trigger handles. They can even have unlimited magazine capacity. I don't think the folding stock or trigger handle had much to do with the results that day. He could have killed just as many (maybe even more given the range he was shooting from) using the 2 handguns he had.
     
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