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Mass shooting @ Connecticut elementary school. 20 children killed.

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  1. Dec 14, 2012 #21 of 501
    hilmar2k

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    The President's address was tough to watch. As a father of two young girls (7 and 11), I knew exactly how he felt.

    I know that area of CT fairly well (it's only 35 minutes from me), and I just cannot fathom how anyone could do that. I don't know how the holiday season is ever the same again for the families that lost children today.
     
  2. Dec 15, 2012 #22 of 501
    dpeters11

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    I read a tweet that said that local news interviewed a 3rd grader. I don't know what's worse, they asking a third grader questions after this (though I have the same feeling of them wanting interviews from adults just after a tragedy), or the parents allowing it.
     
  3. Dec 15, 2012 #23 of 501
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    I hate guns, but let's be realistic here. There's not a gun law that could have ever prevented the theft of legal firearms by a psychotic, evil, killer. Mass murders are done by the insane, and they act like an addict that will do anything to get their next fix.

    Really - what we need is better laws to protect us from these psychopaths. We need families to alert us of psychotics. And we need the ability to put these people into mental hospitals where they'll do us no harm and, who knows, maybe find a little peace themselves.

    Remember when we changed the laws in the early 80's that took these people out of state hospitals and onto the street? These are the laws we need to revisit.

    Yes, we need to get guns out of the hands of criminals, but we also need to get people like this demonic plague into a place where they can do no harm.
     
  4. Dec 15, 2012 #24 of 501
    damondlt

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    This is absolutly sickening!!! So sad for them poor familys and them poor little children. OMG ! Its hitting me quite hard having myself little childen 6 and 10 years old.

    Why Why Why.

    Just little defenceless children going to school.
     
  5. Dec 15, 2012 #25 of 501
    damondlt

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    I agree,
    But I don't hate guns.

    I hate the fact that our schools security is so poor that this coulds happen.

    People shouldn't be able to break glass on the front door period, spend some of that government salary, on some bullet Proof glass have an Armed security on the otherside.

    These monsters, prey on places with no security. When is our nation going to accept that.
     
  6. Dec 15, 2012 #26 of 501
    MysteryMan

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    When the media hype stops. What happened yesterday is horrific to say the least. Once again the media is focusing all of it's attention on a tragic incident. No other national or world events are being reported. The hype is feeding people's emotions, intensifying their pain and fear. Already the anti gunners are screaming for more gun control. The thousands of gun control laws already on the books did absolutely nothing to prevent this tragedy from happening. More useless gun control laws are not the answer. That fits Einstein's definition of insanity (Doing the same thing repeatedly and expecting a different result each time.) We need to focus our efforts on criminal control and addressing mental illness. I'm sure the mucky muck responsible for yesterday's mayhem displayed some of the warning signs. They simply went unnoticed.
     
  7. Dec 15, 2012 #27 of 501
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    We also have to deal with the gun culture that emphasizes guns and violence as ways to solve problems. Be it music, video games or movies, the popular culture absorbed by a 20 year old says guns and killing people are solutions to problems. As a society, we need to change that.

    When I started driving over 40 years ago, drinking and driving were considered socially acceptable. You judged a drive by how many beers it took you to get there. Driving plastered home from a bar was the basis for a funny story. Not any more. We no longer think that.

    I've also seen this country go from primarily pro-choice to pro-life regarding abortions.

    Our culture can change. It needs to start to change regarding guns and violence. These guns were legally purchased in a state with tough gun control laws. The school had just instituted new security. One individual who thought the best solution to his problems was to kill his mother and the kids she taught was enough to negate all of that. That's what needs to change.

    And before you think I'm giving a pass to the gun lobby, one of the things that needs to change is the idea that the more armed you personally are, the safer you are. The solution is not more guns and more concealed carry laws but less guns and less people armed to the teeth. The idea that you need to be armed is part of the gun culture.
     
  8. Dec 15, 2012 #28 of 501
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    The media is out of control. I've been watching CNN for the last 45 minutes. The host (don't know his name), was reading a recent press release from the CT State Police. He read the part where the police had requested for the media to respect the privacy of the families and then he read the part that every family had been assigned a trooper or officer as a point of contact to keep them informed. The host then said "that explains why we haven't been able to talk with the families." Soledad mentioned a few minutes later that those troopers were "barriers" between the families and the press.
     
  9. Dec 15, 2012 #29 of 501
    MysteryMan

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    I've seen dairy cows display more intelligence than Soledad O'Brien.
     
  10. Dec 15, 2012 #30 of 501
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    Don't get me wrong as I will be the first to stand up and say that we need to do more to keep our schools safe but all of this costs money and many school districts don't have that money. The school district which I reside in is preparing to announce some drastic cuts (closing schools, staff cuts, removing extra circular activities, etc.) this coming week. People complain about having to buy supplies for their kids, over-crowding, outdated text books, outdated technology, etc.. etc.. but when asked about adding an additional penny to the sales tax or help cover some of the costs they scream and yell about it. Unless we are willing to open our wallets, it's not going happen!
     
  11. Dec 15, 2012 #31 of 501
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    Re read my post, I'm well aware of budget cuts.
     
  12. Dec 15, 2012 #32 of 501
    damondlt

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    Here I highlighted it for you.

    Another thing our country is full of , Excuses on why things aren't done.
     
  13. Dec 15, 2012 #33 of 501
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    We've already done too much of that. Fortification can only go so far. Defense isn't always the best offense.

    We need to deal with the problems and the causes.
     
  14. Dec 15, 2012 #34 of 501
    damondlt

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    Your not going to deal with 375 million individuals problems. I love the OH we just need to help the psycho figure out his problems so he doesn't kill.. Gimmie a break.

    OK you and the US government can waste tax dollars on that while the rest of us defend our kids and our own lives now.

    The point is this could have been prevented, if the US government payed more attention to school securty and a little less on Million dollar welcome centers, Middle East Wars, and Auto maker Bailouts.
     
  15. Dec 15, 2012 #35 of 501
    Lord Vader

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    Reports today from the CT. State Police indicate they believe the gunman here forced his way into the school. It appears obvious that even better security at that school wouldn't have made a difference. The nut job was hell bent on murdering kids. Sadly, he succeeded.
     
  16. Dec 15, 2012 #36 of 501
    James Long

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    Guys ... we really do not need another anti-government thread that will be closed in a couple of hours. So please, keep your comments respectful of those killed and of the site where you are posting your comments.

    We are not one of those news sites with thousands of unmoderated comments filled with vitriol toward each other regardless of the topic of the story.
     
  17. Dec 15, 2012 #37 of 501
    Stewart Vernon

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    Regarding guns and the "criminals will get guns anyway" mantra...

    Yes, a planned killer be he serial killer or just plain mean and evil... such a guy will find a way to get a gun. You can't prevent that 100%.

    But, this guy?

    This guy has the earmarks of a guy who was troubled and just snapped. Such a guy would not have known how or where to illegally obtain guns most likely, and certainly not on the spur of the moment day he decided to rampage.

    This guy quite possibly could have been hindered if not completely prevented from obtaining a gun.

    This guy is a prime example of a guy that should not be permitted to legally obtain a gun... and yet, he probably would have been able to do so... even in his questionable state of mind.

    There is no need for more laws... just enforce the ones on the books.

    Most people should have the right to bear arms if they so choose... and most people will be responsible with those guns... but no matter how you slice it... some people shouldn't.

    Going back to our driving examples from previous threads... There is always talk of limiting driving of senior citizens or people with vision problems from driving because of the danger they pose to others... and yet there are people who would demand those same people be allowed to own and use a gun. The logic escapes me.

    You absolutely can't stop or predict all crazy... it is tragic, but you can't get them all in advance... but you certainly can make it a little more difficult for such a person to do more damage until you can stop them.
     
  18. Dec 15, 2012 #38 of 501
    Lord Vader

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    Two points to make regarding your post, Stewart:

    1. The killer obtained the guns not on his own, apparently; rather, they were his mother's, and she obtained them legally.
    2. Even if someone mentally unbalanced cannot purchase firearms, said person will still probably be able to acquire them somewhere, like from a relative who legally has them.

    So then what do we do? Prohibit the relatives of someone unbalanced from purchasing guns? That won't work.
     
  19. Dec 15, 2012 #39 of 501
    MysteryMan

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    CNN reported the weapons used by the shooter were legally purchased and owned by the shooter's mother. How the shooter obtained the weapons has yet to be disclosed.
     
  20. Dec 15, 2012 #40 of 501
    damondlt

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    OH well thats that then!:mad:

    Yea cause we would want to hold anyone accountable for our school security.

    Terrorist are hell bent on murdering americans, that mean we shouldn't have police or military, cause they want to kill bad enought they are going to do it anyway.

    When security was acually in place, then you can say for sure it didn't help.

    Saying it wouldn't help is just a way its not our fault.
     
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