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Mass shooting @ Connecticut elementary school. 20 children killed.

Discussion in 'The OT' started by cj9788, Dec 14, 2012.

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  1. runner861

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    A person cannot be forced to accept treatment prior to committing a crime except in very rare circumstances.
     
  2. Phil T

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    That is what they used to do. This place was still around in the 1950's and 60's. Not sure what ever happened to it.

    http://www.genealogybug.net/ohio_alhn/institutions/longview.htm

    It was established not to many years after the founding fathers wrote the 2nd amendment. We changed the way we handled mental illness. What is wrong with revisiting the way we handle assault rifles?
     
  3. Tom Robertson

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    My premise 1: We ain't gonna stop them all anytime soon.
    Premise 2: As horrific as these events are, they are barely on radar of numbers of child deaths each year. They are just VERY horrific which makes them:
    Premise 3: Easily sensationalized in the press...

    Re: treatment for various dangerous mental conditions including both illnesses and "conditions" that are not normally illnesses these days. Yes, I think we need to care for people. Better treatment, not just locking them away. Alas, that costs lots of money and why states gave it up.

    Re: "assault rifles". There wasn't an assault rifle used at Sandy Hook. It was not fully automatic.

    Peace,
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  4. SayWhat?

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    Used to be THE thing to do. Confine them for years. Sometimes for life. They were called State Hospitals, but they were little more than confinement complete with locked doors, steel bars and armed guards. 'Treatment' was with a needle or a pill to keep them drugged to the point of being nearly catatonic. Most of them walked around like zombies for months, if they were allowed to walk around at all. Many were kept locked in their rooms. Some were kept strapped in a bed or chair.

    "One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest" and "High Anxiety" weren't very far off from reality.

    Most of that ended in the late 80s or early 90s, not because it was deemed wrong or improper, but due to budget cuts. It still happens today, but to a lesser extent. Usually 'treatment' lasts only as long as your insurance does. If you have six weeks of coverage, you're still crazy on Day 41, but suddenly at the end of Day 42, you're cured.

    Reports indicate that the mother was in the process of having this kid committed and that may be what set him off.
     
  5. RasputinAXP

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    Technically correct. It's an assault weapon according to the regulations of the expired federal assault weapons ban.
     
  6. Hoosier205

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    That is not true.
     
  7. phrelin

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    I assume everyone has seen this one:

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  8. Rich

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    That's a question I asked my wife's friend's husband when he started talking about his militia in PA. Seems that none of his militia buddies ever served, but they think they are a "well regulated militia". Just an excuse to get out in the woods and drink beer. And the guy's got diabetes that he ignores.

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    Add to that: Most of them don't know they have a problem. Or deny that they have a problem.

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  10. Rich

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    Good post. Second best I've read on this thread.

    Rich
     
  11. dpeters11

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    That is a good point. If one gunman can kill 13 people on a military base, then we have no real chance.
     
  12. MysteryMan

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    And a note to those who want more gun laws. The "thousands" of gun laws already on the books did nothing to prevent those tragedies. Adding more will have the same effect. ;)
     
  13. spartanstew

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    1. You don't know that additional laws wouldn't prevent things. It's very possible we'd have many, many more of these instances without the current laws.
    2. Even if these things weren't prevented, what's wrong with making things inconvenient to these individuals.
     
  14. phrelin

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    So I guess what we're down to is more security won't really help, more gun laws won't really help, and we can't really do much about the potentially dangerous mentally ill.

    And as I noted in post 170 China was hit by a spate of knife and cleaver attacks that targeted school children in 2010 and had one the day before Newtown and school attacks have occurred in Finland and Germany. And our worst school attack occurred in 1927.

    Maybe in the end it's just a frustration of the human situation - one can't eliminate all random dangers such as someone going berserk.

    Interesting word, "berserk" which Dictionary.com defines as "violently or destructively frenzied; wild; crazed; deranged: He suddenly went berserk."
     
  15. Hoosier205

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    An assumption you base on absolutely nothing.
     
  16. KK in CT

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    The point was that the NRA's "meaningful solution" that they offered was already in place where some of these tragedies happened. And it ended up not being a solution. I believe they blamed pretty much everything except guns.
     
  17. Hoosier205

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    It should also be noted that the NRA currently has phone banks running and are fundraising off of the Newtown tragedy.
     
  18. SayWhat?

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    And let's not forget that these guys all had guns:

    http://www.odmp.org/search?cause=Gunfire&from=2012&to=2012
     
  19. BattleScott

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    And the Brady campaign is respectfully avoiding it?
     
  20. Tom Robertson

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    Which, of the two clauses, was not true?

    And who's definition will we use? :)

    Peace,
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