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Mass shooting @ Connecticut elementary school. 20 children killed.

Discussion in 'The OT' started by cj9788, Dec 14, 2012.

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  1. James Long

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    How about: "Don't let the actions of one lunatic ruin the country."

    Also remember the rules of our forum as this thread continues ... and stay away from political and anti-government rhetoric as requested earlier in the thread.
     
  2. scooper

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    If there is anything about our justice system I would like to change - it would be "right to speedy trial" - start enforcing it.

    One of my coworkers (a former LEO) had this to say - in a murder trial - week one - usual trial (12 jurors). If convicted - week 2 - sentence (a different set of 12 jurors) (essentially another trial). Week 3 - Appeal (another trial - another 12 jurors), week 4 appeal sentence trial, week 5 another apeal trial and sentance *all trials having 12 jurors). At this point, 60 people have seen the trial and said "you should have the death penalty" - so week 6 - carry it out.

    So far as separating the convicted pedafiles, police officers, prison guards, judges, and holders of public office from the general population - I don't have a problem with the pedafiles being mainstreamed - it just means they will be tortured / killed by the other prisoners - I don't have too much problem with the politicians being mainstreamed also. But the others -

    I'm just saying there is a pecking order / inside the jail justice going on too.
     
  3. MysteryMan

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    People have been killing people since Cain killed Abel. The only thing that has changed are the methods and devices they use. The media has labled the NRA as some kind of evil empire. In reality, The National Rifle Association consists of 4.3 million law abiding gun owners who believe in upholding and protecting the 2nd Amendment. The framers of our Constitution were some of the wisest men of their time. They placed the 2nd Amendment as a fail-safe. They did so because they knew that every nation that disarmed it's population became a dictatorship. Without the 2nd Amendment the rest of the Constitution and our Bill of Rights wouldn't be worth the paper they're written on. As I have stated before, the thousands of gun laws that are on the books did absolutely nothing to prevent the tragedy that occured in Newtown, Connecticut. Adding more gun control laws will accomplish nothing in preventing these types of incidents and will only serve in pacifying the anti gunners. The bottom line is laws are only effective when people obey them.
     
  4. wilbur_the_goose

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    OK - but the Bushmaster used by this murder AND the DC sniper is the issue. How exactly is this weapon used in sport? Where does a weapon cease to be a 2nd ammendment-protected weapon and cross into military-class materiel?

    I can't legally own a working rocket launcher, but one could say it's "arms" and is protected. To me, it's now time to do a strict definition of protected "arms" versus "materiel".

    That said, we really need to do a complete overhaul on our nation's laws regarding mental illness. We give the criminally insane too many rights. Way too many. Maybe it's time to go back to 1950, but use today's science to keep these people locked away, safe, and hopefully, at peace.
     
  5. RunnerFL

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    Ummm, the right to a speedy trial is adhered to. The problem is that it's a right and the defendant has to invoke that right. It's not a mandate, it's a right.
     
  6. MysteryMan

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    Any firearm can be modified. In Nam we learned how to double our firepower by taping two magazines together. With the right knowledge anyone can convert a semi auto rifle to full auto. More gun control is not the answer. As I said in post #26, we need to focus our efforts on criminal control and addressing mental illness.
     
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    I don't see anything here about changing the criminal justice system. Mainstreaming certain prisoners is not the criminal justice system, it is after the criminal justice system acts and a person is imprisoned. It could be done administratively, but I don't see it having any effect on gun crime. Term limits would require a constitutional amendment. I don't see you saying anything about the fourth, fifth, or sixth amendments, which comprise the heart of the criminal justice system.
     
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    This that you are describing really doesn't sound right. I don't mean to be insulting in any way, but I would really like to see the details. It couldn't have happened the way you are describing it. Give us a court and a case number.
     
  9. runner861

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    Correct.
     
  10. runner861

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    A panel on the 7th Circuit Court of Appeals has found a constitutional right to carry a firearm, and has given Illinois 180 days to draft a law to issue ccw's. Right now, Illinois is the only state that simply does not issue ccw's and has no law on the books to do so.

    Whether this decision will stand is unknown. Illinois can accept the decision and draft the law (or have the court draft it for them). Illinois can ask the entire 7th circuit to reconsider the ruling. Or Illinois can ask the Supreme Court to consider the issue.

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...n-illinois-ban-on-carrying-concealed-weapons/
     
  11. scooper

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    I'm not describing a case - but think about it for a minute -
    The main reason to segregate prisoners from each other is protection. The normal prisoner (not in those protected groups) may feel they have a score to settle (in the case of cops, prosecuters, judges), or - consider that prisoners also have families - the last thing they want is some predator coming after their familes. Prison guards are greatly outnumbered by the prisoners .

    Solitary is about the worst thing you can do to a prisoner - we are "social animals" , for better or worse.
     
  12. SayWhat?

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    Lots of problems there, not the least of which is the jury pool exhaustion.

    Second is bad evidence. No matter how many people see it, if the evidence is flawed, they can all come to the same wrong conclusion. Sometimes it can be years before corrections are made. Quite a few have been exonerated after years in confinement. Some have been found to have been not guilty after execution.

    Third, it's usually the Defense that delays things, not the Prosecution.
     
  13. trh

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    Had the shooter been diagnosed as having a mental problem?
     
  14. damondlt

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    Well, I don't think this guy was normal by any account.
     
  15. MysteryMan

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    And there's where the problem lies. People like you have no problem with pedafiles and politicians being placed into the general population while serving their prison sentences but cops, judges, and prison guards who break the law and are convicted should receive special treatment and be segregated while serving their sentence. That's a double standard.
     
  16. damondlt

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    Agree 100%

    I also think Cops, Judges,and Prison gaurds she be punished worse . They are supposed to represent the laws. They get paid too.
     
  17. MysteryMan

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    That has yet to be determined. But you don't have to be a rocket scientist to see that he did have a mental disorder. People who are sane don't even think of commiting such an atrocity let alone carry one out.
     
  18. SayWhat?

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    It's GUArds.

    An occasional typo is one thing, but you have misspelled the same word nearly every time you've posted it. That squiggly red line under words actually means something you know.
     
  19. MysteryMan

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    Not punished worse, just treated equal. You break the law and are convicted you go straight to jail. You don't pass Go, you don't collect $200.00, and you don't receive special treatment.
     
  20. SayWhat?

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    There's some debate as to whether Aspergers is a mental illness or a neurological disorder.

    Ether way, he should not have had access to these types of weapons, even under parental supervision.
     
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