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Mass shooting @ Connecticut elementary school. 20 children killed.

Discussion in 'The OT' started by cj9788, Dec 14, 2012.

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  1. damondlt

    damondlt New Member

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    The problem is they took Oaths, regular citizens don't.

    If I don't follow the guidelines in my job. I get sued.
     
  2. damondlt

    damondlt New Member

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    Thanks. Wow funny how someones spelling can set off a fuse.
    I think you just proved there is no explaination on what sets people off.
     
  3. trh

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    Yes, but in order to prevent future acts or keep someone away from guns that have a mental disorder, you first have to recognize it as such. Unless we prevent everyone from owning guns.
     
  4. MysteryMan

    MysteryMan Well-Known Member DBSTalk Club

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    Sorry, I don't see the problem. I took a oath when I enlisted in the Army. If I had broken that oath I would have been seriously dealt with. Same should apply with others who take a oath that goes with their occupation.
     
  5. MysteryMan

    MysteryMan Well-Known Member DBSTalk Club

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    Again, as I said in posts #26 and #126 we need to focus our efforts on criminal control and mental illness.
     
  6. damondlt

    damondlt New Member

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    Post where I ever said put Mall security in schools.
    You ran around trying to twist words around. Implying I want to hire mall cops. There are real Trained SecurityGuards in this country.

    And you still didn't answer if you have any kids.
     
  7. damondlt

    damondlt New Member

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    I agree with you, thats why I said Judges, cops and GUARDS should be punished worse.
    Because they took OATHs

    But you said just equal. Which is fine, I was just refering to the fact celebs' cops, judges seem to get special treatment, well if not equal then it should be stiffer then a regular citizen.. Right now its Stiffer for the regular citizen.
     
  8. RunnerFL

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    We executed a former cop turned murderer here in FL just the other day.
     
  9. damondlt

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    Good. But thats no the case in many areas.

    There are so much other closed door stuff, that you don't see.
    Our state of PA is a good example. Look at pennstate, Years and years of hidden crimes. Serveral countys charged with corruption, of years of Hidden crimes.
     
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    If you're literally talking a month and a half, there are many issues. One of which, if someone has a bad or overworked defense attorney, a new one can't possibly get up to speed that fast.

    Looking at a case like Ronald Williamson, he lost numerous appeals. A team of attorneys finally convinced a judge to order a stay, 5 days before he was scheduled for execution. He ended up being exonerated, 10 years after he was found guilty.
     
  12. Hoosier205

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    There is absolutely no excuse why assault weapons should not be banned in this country.
     
  13. SayWhat?

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    I'd really like to know what happened during the hour or two before he left the house that morning. Did the Mother find out something and try to stop him? Or did he just take her out so she couldn't have a chance to do anything?

    Or did she somehow do something that set him off and made him do the rest?

    Things we'll most likely never know. Cops already said they haven't found any kind of note or writings.
     
  14. Hoosier205

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    I thought I had heard that she was still in bed and had been shot directly in the face.
     
  15. Stewart Vernon

    Stewart Vernon Roving Reporter Staff Member Super Moderator DBSTalk Club

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    In general terms... minors can't buy alcohol. IF I as an adult buy alcohol for them, I have committed a crime. IF I have children in the house, and I do not secure my alcohol, and those children drink the alcohol... I'm libel for that too!

    so... the point here would be, the mother having legal guns in the house apparently did not secure them from her son who was also living in the house.

    This is NOT about blame... not to me... it's about what can be done going forward, differently.

    We don't catch all criminals of any kind... not all rapists, child molesters, killers, etc... but we try... and when one gets away we hope to try and learn something.

    That's all I'm going for when something like this happens. I'm not saying to blame anyone except the guy who snaps and kills people, period.

    But, going forward... is there anything we could do to prevent the next one?

    People say one security guard is useless... ok, but wouldn't one be better than zero? We argued this about the theater shooting. How about one security guard AND cameras at all the entrances... and the guard can watch from a single room all the points of entry. That would be an improvement over no security.

    Arguably the janitor reported to be running down the halls warning people about the shooter helped... so imagine a security guard seeing the guy from outside the building making that same warning a few minutes earlier.

    We cannot be perfect and prevent all bad things... but using that as an excuse to throw up our hands and do nothing makes no sense.

    The argument "an evil person will find a way" is true... but it doesn't mean I still can't secure my home or place of business as best I can reasonably in the meantime.
     
  16. James Long

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    If one believes the most stalwart protectors of the 2nd amendment, it doesn't.

    Their opinion is based on a "well regulated militia" ... that is an army. Any arms an army needs to protect the nation are protected for ownership under the 2nd amendment.

    Fortunately most people have accepted that there are exceptions. But back in the day when it was "everyone grab what you've got and come fight" an ownership limit would have harmed our militia. Now the government arms our militia ... people are not expected to bring their own arms to the fight.

    The 2nd amendment does not give exceptions. It does not say "the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed unless you are a danger to society." Our courts have made a lot of interpretations over the years to change simple words into a usable policy.
     
  17. Davenlr

    Davenlr Geek til I die

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  18. SayWhat?

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    If you're going to go there, it doesn't say 'individuals' or 'persons' either. It says 'the people' as in a collective body. It had to do with 'well regulated militias' being able to protect against the Crown or some foreign invasion.

    It doesn't really have anything to do with Bubba and his brigade of beer swillin' rednecks plinkin' Stop signs.
     
  19. SayWhat?

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    http://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...1f183c-4791-11e2-820e-17eefac2f939_story.html

    2nd or not, there is just no reason or justification for that.
     
  20. James Long

    James Long Ready for Uplink! Staff Member Super Moderator DBSTalk Club

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    Those in the fight against Autism are trying to keep the disease separated from this crime. They do not want people to see Autistic children (with any form of Autism) labeled as a threat to society.

    In my opinion, with 1 in 88 children being diagnosed with Autism eventually one of those children is going to do something bad. To say they would not would be like saying that Autism would PREVENT a person from committing such a crime.

    Aspergers involves high functioning people who might appear more intelligent than others and be able to grasp concepts that others cannot understand. However their flaws lie in other areas ... such as shyness and not understanding non-verbal cues. Where I may tilt my head and look at you with a frown and you read that as "there is something wrong" or "disapproval" a person with Aspergers might not notice.

    I do not believe that Aspergers alone would make a child dangerous to others ... but combined with other problems the social interaction problems that come with Aspergers would not help. Where you and I would see a look of terror in a young child's eyes a person with Aspergers may just see a blank face.

    BTW: My nephew has Aspergers.
     
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