Have DTV for 10 years but thinking of making the switch since we can save some bucks and our prized TIVO is dying. We have had it for years, maybe 5, and she has never had a problem but now reboots all the time. So we might get an HDTV and move to dish. I found this site and LOVE all the info, wow. Anyway, I have a newbie question. We just changed from ATT to Comcast for internet and phone. When we signed up they wanted a SSN for some reason per the web sign up. OK no problem I guess. But DISH in their process flow to sign up shows they want a credit card with an "amount due now". Am I paying for something not even installed yet? What am I missing. I have talked to a sles person there when I first started investigating other options. We like DISH, a lot. We would want the 722. I told the guy call me back next (this) Friday after I complete my research of u-verse etc. Well I get a call from a different guy at DISH and he offers $75 MORE in discounts if we sign up today or tomorrow, but he asked for all this info. But it does seem what he was asking for is the same as the website. So my question is, need to learn to post shorter, is why do they need a CC and doesn't your billing cycle start AFTER you have service? With Comcast we had it for a month before I paid a mailed bill to us and then we signed up for auto-pay, like all our other bills. I guess they don't have a 30 day money back guarantee, I asked about that, if the jump from our tivo is too steep. Anyway, found this forum and thought I would ask about the billing. I just called them but was on hold a long time so hung up and typed this out. Sorry if it is a silly question.