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Merger talk heats up?

Discussion in 'General DISH™ Discussion' started by harsh, Mar 18, 2013.

  1. harsh

    harsh Beware the Attack Basset

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    Echostar is an independent company that might lose big or, more likely, remain one of the big players in the satellite receiver OEM business along with Samsung and Pace.

    It would be interesting to see what Echostar could do with a DIRECTV receiver that Samsung and Pace haven't been able to do and vice versa.

    I think that DIRECTV could benefit mightily from having more Ku bandwidth in the mix.

    Hardware (including satellites) can be bought and sold. I suspect it is rather low on the list of things that business types think about; especially in view of what Sirius got away with in terms of taking years to develop cross-platform (at least partially) receivers.
     
  2. damondlt

    damondlt New Member

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    I don't agree, Directv already Stated they plan to be done with KU service in the Next 5 years.
    They also Stated in their 4K plan that Ka satellites are what is required because of the amount of bandwidth needed for KA service.

    http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2401711,00.asp

    To enable the transition, DirecTV sees itself migrating from Ku-band to Ka-band satellites. Ka-band satellites offer higher bandwidth than Ku-band satellites, but reportedly are more susceptible to so-called "rain fade," or a degradation of performance during rainy conditions.
    "At DirecTV we see a couple of things happening," Goswitz said. "First, our subscribers are migrating away from Ku-band, and upgrading themselves to Ka-band and its HDTV services. In four or five years, our Ku-band [transmissions] could end
     
  3. ehilbert1

    ehilbert1 Godfather

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    People like yourself thought the same thing with Sirius and XM. XM had more subscribers yada yada and now it's SiriusXM. That is with Sirius in front. They basically took it over. So never say never my friend! ;)
     
  4. damondlt

    damondlt New Member

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    You guys keep trying to compare 2 Dying companys.
    They had to merge or else it was the end for both!

    This is not the case with Directv and Dish.
     
  5. Stuart Sweet

    Stuart Sweet The Shadow Knows!

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    I am neither wadded nor up, thank you.
     
  6. raott

    raott Hall Of Fame

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    They were dying companies because of their own mismanagement and overpaying of "talent".
     
  7. damondlt

    damondlt New Member

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    Whatever the reason, They were both Dying.
     
  8. James Long

    James Long Ready for Uplink! Staff Member Super Moderator DBSTalk Club

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    Despite the pleas of some, neither company is dying. Both have faced financial challenges over the past few years but neither are near death. And neither is in a position to buy the other.

    How many owners has DirecTV had over the years? How many leader changes? DirecTV being bought by someone else would not be surprising ... DISH being bought would be a first. But back to reality, I don't expect either company to buy the other.

    BTW: If DirecTV leaves Ku will they sell the bandwidth to DISH? :)
     
  9. ehilbert1

    ehilbert1 Godfather

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    Don't you guys me. I am no fanboy of any TV service provider. Just like I'm not a fanboy of my electric or gas company.

    Sirius and XM spent way to much money fighting each other. I do believe that Sirius just took XM over. A lot of people lost their favorite music channels too.


    If by overpayment of talent you mean Stern your dead wrong. If Howard would have went to XM Sirius would have folded a long long time ago. Stern brought in more subscribers than NASCAR, NFL and all the sports. Plus it brought them lots and lots of media coverage when he left terrestrial radio. That right there was priceless. It put satellite radio in the forefront like it had never been before.
     
  10. acostapimps

    acostapimps Hall Of Famer

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    To me this looks like a publicity stunt between two CEO's, If they can stop trying to cut the competition as its been always working, Either it's about disputes or technology but either it won't work or happen.
     
  11. Stewart Vernon

    Stewart Vernon Roving Reporter Staff Member Super Moderator DBSTalk Club

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    Last things first... I never said Dish was buying DirecTV. In fact, I was saying that neither is likely to buy the other. This has already been attempted several years ago, and it was not something the government was likely to support given how it would shrink the competition. I think the merger ship has sailed.

    Sounds to me like DirecTV is doing better in Latin America than in the US lately... and that's fine, but unless and until Dish tries to have a growing presence there, there is no reason to compare growth in Latin America to Dish since Dish will obviously fail in that comparison due to not even trying.

    "Several years ago DirecTV was not much better than Dish" Really? I've never heard that before. DirecTV had a LONG head start in the DBS area over Dish, and Dish has been playing catch-up the whole time. I have never heard anyone say DirecTV was close to Dish in terms of subscribers or revenue, not even the most die-hard Dish supporters would make that statement, so I'm not sure where you're making that comparison.

    But finally... none of that makes a difference. Smaller companies buyout larger ones all the time. IF it was something the government would support, they actually would be more likely to support a buying of DirecTV by Dish than the other way around.

    Heck, companies in bankruptcy (K-Mart) have bought companies not in bankruptcy (Sears) in order to save themselves... so size of company relative to each other isn't in play when talking mergers.

    But I'm with James anyway.... I don't see this as anything other than the random semi-recurring rumor that it is.
     
  12. damondlt

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    Um XM and Sirius were dying!
    No one said anything about Directv and dish.

    SiriusXM is still a dying service!
     
  13. damondlt

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    You believe what you want, and Directv only had a couple million more customers then dish 5 + years ago, Not 15 million more all together and 6 million more in America.

    The last merger attempt, were for 2 very equal satellite companys. Now is definatly not the case.
     
  14. dsw2112

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    I would tend to agree that the low-level hardware is largely irrelevent in the case of a merger. I've always wondered what Dish could do with a D* box from a software standpoint though. I don't really think the fault lies with the hardware manufacturers (in the case of D*'s receivers) but is more related to poor programming.

    To be honest, I think D* would have a problem wiriting software for a simple screensaver. Oh wait, they do :sure:
     
  15. James Long

    James Long Ready for Uplink! Staff Member Super Moderator DBSTalk Club

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    Well there's your problem. This is a thread about DirecTV and DISH ... perhaps that was forgotten?
     
  16. damondlt

    damondlt New Member

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    No the problem is you guys don't read.

    And when someone always throws in the , Sirius XM compairison every time,, Because the weaker bought the Stronger, But they were both Heading for Bankrupt.

    Again with Directv its not the same, Its Directv a Much Larger and stronger and much more growing company then Dish currently..

    Charlie will take a check and retire! Directv will be the owner.

    And in reference to the past merger, and company not being equal,

    Well according to both companys press releases from June 30 2004( Press releases for Directv didn't go back Past 2004, to compare 2002 merger)
    Directv had 11.6 million customers
    Dishnetwork had 10.1 million customers
    That's looks fairly equal to me considering one has been in business 2 years longer.;)

    Now in 2013, well in the past 10 years Directv added over 9+ Million American and 15+ million Latin American customers
    Dish added less then 4 Million.

    Way different Merger then before!
     
  17. James Long

    James Long Ready for Uplink! Staff Member Super Moderator DBSTalk Club

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    In 2002, when the merger attempt ended, DISH (Echostar) had 8.18 million customers, DirecTV had 11.2 million customers (US - 1.2 million more in Latin America). ~37% more customers. Now DirecTV is running at 33% more US customers than DISH. They are CLOSER in customer count today than they were at the last merger attempt.

    Financially DISH is much better off than they were in 2002. Up until the point when the merger attempt ended DISH had not posted an annual profit. Since then DISH has been profitable every year. They are in a better position to be buying DirecTV than they were in 2002. :)

    That being said ... take it down a notch. There's no reason to get angry about a merger that is unlikely to happen.
     
  18. damondlt

    damondlt New Member

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    That number for Directv subscribers is not at all correct.

    In the June 2004 Press release Directv had 11.6 million and it compare that number to the June of 2003 report 9.9 Million, so unless Directv lost 2 million in one year you may want to recheck that.

    Directv Also has a total of 36+ million total customers.

    Dish Under 14.1
    That's more then 50%
     
  19. James Long

    James Long Ready for Uplink! Staff Member Super Moderator DBSTalk Club

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    It is the number DirecTV (owned then by Hughes) put in their 2002 Annual Report:
    "DIRECTV U.S."
    "Largest digital multi-channel service provider in U.S. with 11.2 million customers as of year-end 2002"

    2003: "Largest digital multi-channel service provider in the U.S. with 12.2 million customers as of year-end 2003"

    2004: "As of December 31, 2004, DIRECTV U.S. had approximately 13.9 million subscribers ..."
     
  20. rocat1997

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    I sincerely hope they don't merge. Dish has far superior equipment. I had direct tv before and it was constant problems. My neighbor has them now and has problems they refuse to fix. I refuse to return to them.
     

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