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Merger talk heats up?

Discussion in 'General DISH™ Discussion' started by harsh, Mar 18, 2013.

  1. damondlt

    damondlt New Member

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    Directv 4s is almost 15 years old
    Directv 8 is 9 years old
    Directv 9s is 7 years old.

    You really believe Directv is going to send up Directv 16 as a KU satellite?

    When
    Spaceway 1
    Spaceway 2
    Directv 10
    Directv 11
    Directv 12
    Directv 14
    Directv 15
    Are all KA satellites? No they will be sending replacements up to Spaceway 1 and Directv 10 by 2021.
     
  2. damondlt

    damondlt New Member

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    EchoStars Entire fleet is KU.
    Just like Directvs will be KA.;)

    The only way Directv is getting anymore KU satellites is when they Buy Dishnetwork .:joy:
     
  3. Diana C

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    All of which proves what?

    As far as I can see, all it proves is that DirecTV added more total subs. Does that make DirecTV somehow "better"? I don't see how. Does it make Dish Network "worse"? Again, I don't see how.

    Numbers can be spun any way you want. The bottom line is that both companies are growing and making money. They both must be doing something right.
     
  4. Diana C

    Diana C Hall Of Fame DBSTalk Club

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    Gee, I guess you have been sitting in on the DirecTV technical planning sessions? :)

    You seem to forget that DirecTV still has LOTS of customers out in the world that have dishes and receivers that ONLY receive Ku signals. If they were planning on "abandoning" Ku within 5 years they would be furiously replacing those receivers and dishes right now.

    EDIT: Let me add that some of the oldest satellites still in operation are Hughes designs like DirecTV-4s (one is over 30 and still working). When launched, a satellite has an expected lifespan of 15 to 20 years. Many satellites last much longer that that. DirecTV-3 (now nearly 18 years old) is still functioning as Nimiq-3, after having been put into a storage orbit and then repositioned twice. DirecTV-1R (over 13 years old) is currently leased to the Russians.
     
  5. raott

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    Who said anything about Howard Stern?
     
  6. damondlt

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    Research pays off.

    And just because they aren't running around cutting the cord on the SD customers is cause they have , as you claim plenty of time left with some of the KU's, But at the same time I don't see Directv running around to launch a new KU satellite to Replace Directv 4
     
  7. damondlt

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    Directv Numbers are way better and Growing way faster.

    You seem to forget, While Directv was spending a ton of money adding Subscribers, and Dish has been bouncing around the same number for the last 5 years.

    Directv income is going to start pouring in, already is.

    Look at the Finacial reports.
     
  8. Inkosaurus

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    You seem to forget that adding subs =/= profit.
     
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    The person I quoted said Sirius over payed for talent aka Howard Stern.
     
  10. James Long

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    It is a shame that they cannot keep their numbers straight. :D
     
  11. James Long

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    Having recent launches pushes the need for the next out a little. :)
    E-16 @ 61.5 (spots and Conus) active January 15th, 2013
    E-15 has been moved away from DISH service.
    Quetzsat 1 @ 77 has just been placed into service for DISH this year.
    Nimiq 5 @ 72.7 is the oldest EA satellite, launched in 2009.

    Eastern Arc is a little older:
    E-14 @ 119 launched March 20th, 2010
    Ciel-2 @ 129 launched Dec 10th, 2008
    E-11 @ 110 launched July 16th, 2008
    E-10 @ 110 (spots) launched February 15th, 2006
     
  12. James Long

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    They are doing OK ... that doesn't mean they can't be purchased. Just look at how many times ownership HAS changed hands. The next buyout may not be DISH, but DirecTV maintaining the same ownership is not guaranteed. Past performance may be indicative of future results.

    That is not something to be proud of. SAC is a tracked number that needs to be lower, not higher.
     
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    Echostar 18 ku launches to 110w in 2015
     
  14. harsh

    harsh Beware the Attack Basset

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    Knowing how satellite works doesn't make one a predictor of how 4K is going to stack up in terms of favored format and bandwidth requirements. You would have thought that Disney and Fox would have known better than 720p if that were the case.
     
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  16. harsh

    harsh Beware the Attack Basset

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    If you look at the specs on DIRECTV 15, it will be equal parts Ku and Ka (gross bandwidth-wise) with a relatively large payload of RDBS (below Ku band) so your interpretation of what DIRECTV said (or what they actually said) seem to be at odds with the facts.

    On another front, the DIRECTVLA 1 and 2 birds are slated to carry C band and Ku band payloads. Galaxy 3C that they're using now is 11 years old and will likely be 13 before the first new bird gets there.
     
  17. Diana C

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    People can take any one item, out of many, and use it to advance their own agenda (just look at Washington).

    Anyone that thinks DirecTV is going to willingly give up their Ku bandwidth is seriously mistaken. It is simply too valuable. They very well might (and I personally expect them to) start eliminating SD service by migrating the remaining SD customers to receivers that can receive an HD signal. At the moment, there is no reason to be proactive in this process, since customers are doing it themselves. But at some point in the next 5 years or so, the incentives and subsidized replacements will start. Further, one can cite all the "evidence" one chooses, but to be convincing there has to be a rationale. What possible business advantage would DirecTV get from eliminating Ku?

    Once SD content starts shutting down, the HD that is currently on Ka could migrate to Ku as it becomes available, freeing Ka for 4K or other uses. 5 years is practically a lifetime in this business.

    At the risk of saying something that is ON topic, I honestly think the XM/Sirius example thrown out here is a poor analogy. The only thing in common with a Dish/DirecTV merger is the fact that they both involve satellites. Merging DirecTV and Dish would be more like merging Apple and Microsoft. Two very large and successful companies with somewhat different business models and very different cultures which, if combined, would remove a significant aspect of competition within a market. It makes a nice thought experiment from some perspectives, but I just don't see it happening in the real world.
     
  18. damondlt

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    OK with that in mind, Why didn't they just Build more KU satellites then, rather then pump out KA satellites? If by your logic they are going to put HD back on KU satellites.

    Where are they putting the KU's? 110/119? yea think again Dish Holds most of those licenses.
    Directv will have to merge with Dish. Or they will be changing out everyones LNBs for a new location.
     
  19. harsh

    harsh Beware the Attack Basset

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    Each company has only so much bandwidth that they are allocated and DIRECTV and DISH are both pretty much full-up. DIRECTV is adding Ka and RDBS, not because Ka is better, but that they don't have enough Ku bandwidth so support their planned offerings.
    It seems obvious that DIRECTV 15 will take over duties at 101W. The whole thing about substantially wasting their bandwidth at 110W is sad, but the LOS issue is big when trying to stretch from 99W to 119W with only one constellation.
     
  20. harsh

    harsh Beware the Attack Basset

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    I submit that you're wrong.

    In fact, I'd go so far as to say that the SARS merger was even more monopolistic as, at the time, SARS had no real competition for consumer subscription music.

    DIRECTV and DISH have serious competition from terrestrial carriers and the NCTA is using state legislatures to apply even more financial pressure in the name of levelling the playing field. Cable television and/or broadcast television may well be the next tobacco in terms of idiotic government support.
     

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