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Michael Jackson Verdict!

Discussion in 'The OT' started by deraz, Jun 3, 2005.

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  1. DonLandis

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    Yeah, the comfortable in your back yard need afflicting for a change. Get back to work! Speaking of which, I need to do the same. People want to watch TV.
     
  2. Laverne

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    I'd like to think I'd get high marks for artistic merit (even if not technical merit or degree of difficulty), and very few deductions! :yesman: ;) :D


    P. S. :hb: :balloons: :blowout:



    Now: :backtotop
     
  3. Bogy

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    We might need to deduct points for excessive use of bandwidth due to overuse of smileys and quotes in sigs. :lol:
     
  4. lazaruspup

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    And you pulled your thinking cap covered skull out of your arse how long to deduce this??? First of all, I don't sway either way on whether the man is guilty or not. Does he have some strange habits... yeah, but then again, some people would say that people who count how many posts they make on an internet chat forum devoted to small satellite dishes in their backyard have some strange habits...

    The point is, the prosecution did not prove its case beyond a reasonable doubt. If they convict at all in this case, it will be on sentimentality and I don't think that the mother and son combo can even evoke that much from the jury. For every fact that the prosecution presented a witness for, the defense had a witness to debunk the prosecution. I don't think this case was very well presented by the state at all.

    Honestly, if I were Michael Jackson, I'd take up Africa's offer to move there, take up residence, and live out to a grand old age being eccentric, wacko, strange, or whatever else people want to label him.

    As for your comment about some father... well, I'm not sure about your morals, but I was always taught two wrongs don't make a right. It might feel good to that father, but I can't say I wouldn't enjoy that father getting the needle of justice planted in his arm post-act, and I'm not even an advocate for the death penalty. I feel, however; that homicidal acts of revenge or hate do command higher penalties though.

    Done.
     
  5. Capmeister

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    Mad Drudge has a LOT of contacts in Hollywood and is perhaps doing it in deference to them.

    My thoughts on it are here: http://www.snarkbait.com/archives.php?ID=1438
     
  6. sikma

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    If the jury acquits on all, it's the sadest testimony of all to with what our society will tolerate. I still believe he committed the most unspeakable act of all........a crime against a child.
     
  7. mainedish

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    He will walk because he's White I think.

    Correction, Someone just told me he's black. I think.
     
  8. sikma

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    :hurah:
     
  9. Capmeister

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    My mother always used to say he proves that any black little boy can grow up to be a rich white woman.
     
  10. JohnGfun

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    :hurah: :lol: :hurah: :lol:
     
  11. cdru

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    Not matter what happen's a significant percentage of the population I think will fell the system broke down. A guilty verdict will be seen as letting a pedophile predator lose again and the alledged victim gets to live with the scars of the abuse for the rest of his life. A guilty verdict will be seen as an innocent man accused by a family known for scamming money from the rich along with an overanxious prosecuter that has spent liteally millions of dollars and years worth of manpower to go after 1 person.

    I agree with Scott that he will be found not guilty in one way or another (jury verdict, hung jury, etc) due to the presence of reasonable doubt. From what I've read, Mez has done a decent job of seeding doubt in the minds of the jury members. Even though there was wasn't a shakedown for money directly, the mother's past acts with the Penny's lawsuit as well as welfare fraud and somewhat inconsistent testimony between the family and others involved with the case casts a significant amount of doubt on the accusations.

    However, I still can't totally dismiss the possibility of Jackson's actions. I don't think that he necessarily fits the legal defintion of molestation, although I think he probably went further then what society in general likes to see a grown man do. His behavior is definitely quirky, but I don't think that he is THAT stupid to do the things he is said to have done when he has international attention scrutinizing everything he does.

    With the judges decision to allow the misdemeanor charge relating to alcohol and minors, I think that shows that he doesn't think that there is enough evidence to support the original charges. My vote is not guilty on all counts, or possibly only the alcohol plead down to a misdemeanor with probation, fine, and/or community service.
     
  12. Nick

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    I don't mean to be judgmental, but with all due respect, you have got to have your head squarely up your butt. You see what you want to see and ignore the obvious.

    Michael Jackson knew exactly what he was doing when he was maneuvering young boys onto his ranch and into his little love nest. A little Jesus juice, a stimulating dose of porn, and your new best friend Wacko-Jacko is there to help you on your way to feeling really good.

    Plainly, Jackson is a serial child molestor and is as guilty as oj and Blake are, but the only time this crazy-ass pedophile will spend in prison is as a layover on his way straight to Hell.
     
  13. cdru

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    Perhaps. Or maybe I chose not to convict a person before I see all the facts presented in the case. I sometimes prefer to make up my own mind, not mindlessly going with which ever way the court of public opinion just happens to be swinging that week.

    Everyone is entitled to their opinion I guess.
     
  14. Capmeister

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    So, those of us who believe the boys who said they were molested are merely swinging with public opinion?
     
  15. mainedish

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    It's not normal for a grown man to have kids sleep in the same bed as he does. That alone tells me something. And I notice Jackson seems to only invite boys over and not girls. Hmm.
     
  16. lazaruspup

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    Not to throw in a little influx in here, but is it sensible to lay Jesus out, threaten hell, and judge all in the same statement??? "Judge not, less thee be judged..."

    Food 4 thought.
     
  17. Bogy

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    So YOU would feel more comfortable if he had girls over for sleep overs in his bed? :lol: I'm sorry, but I NEVER let my son invite girls to his sleep overs. :grin:
     
  18. Capmeister

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    Hi. I'm an atheist. Don't really think about people's gods when considering child molesters, sorry.

    And to me to fail to make moral judgments is moral cowardice.
     
  19. Capmeister

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    But Jackson says it's not sexual at all, and that the parents who allow him to do this know it is not--so why not, if it is not, as he claims, sexual? Why not boys out of a certain age range?

    And a quick question for anyone here-- ever, as an adult, slept with a child not a blood relative on a regular basis? Different children over a period of 20 years? Always boys of the same basic age?
     
  20. cdru

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    It was a general comment and not one directed towards any one person, here or anywhere else. I bet if you did a "man on the street" interview asking people if MJ was guilty or innocent, many would say he's guilty. Then ask a follow up question as to why and their answers are going to be "Well, you know, he abused that boy" and that will be the extent of their knowledge. They haven't listened to the facts in the case and their only source of information is media and friends. And we know that both of those sources are never skewed one way or another right?

    I think sometimes people get caught up in the emotion of things and they predetermine what the outcome should be, be it right or wrong. Obviously many people here think he's guilty. Maybe he will be. If he is found that way, I'll be happy to accept the verdict and agree the system worked. However, if he's found not guilty, I'll be happy to accept the verdict too and you won't hear me say that the system broke down.
     
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