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Microsoft Surface

Discussion in 'Tech Talk - Gadgets, Gizmos and Technology' started by naijai, Jun 18, 2012.

  1. Jun 22, 2012 #21 of 111
    Stuart Sweet

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    Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't it true that only the "Pro" version will run legacy Windows programs, while both versions will run Metro apps? Of which, again correct me if I'm wrong, isn't it true there are about 15 of those in existence?
     
  2. Jun 22, 2012 #22 of 111
    hilmar2k

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    Yeah, I believe that is correct. Only the Pro version would have any interest to me, and only if it could be a laptop replacement for me (which was a desktop replacement itself).
     
  3. Jun 22, 2012 #23 of 111
    dpeters11

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    Right, the other version runs on an ARM processor, so only programs compiled for it will work. The normal APIs don't work.
     
  4. Jun 22, 2012 #24 of 111
    Cholly

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    During the press presentation, a second, extra cost, better keyboard and cover option was announced. I don't recall the details. There's quite a bit of information about the two models on the TWiT live special #129 from Tuesday.
     
  5. Jun 22, 2012 #25 of 111
    jdskycaster

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    The Pro will be at a significant premium to the iPad and everyone will complain that it is too expensive even thought it will be s technologically superior device. Microsoft is targeting the commercial market because Apple continues to ignore it. Manageability, security things that matter to companies that have thousands of devices with data that matters to their business.

    The surface is also Microsoft jumpstarting the Windows 8 tablet space. They want to show what can be done in hopes that Dell, HP and others will create products as well. I think this is the right direction for Microsoft and those that think a new tablet is late to the party are wrong. There is a massive untapped market that would love a device that could actually replace something else rather than just add yet another battery that needs recharging to the ever increasing stack.

    I sat next to a high school grad travelling overseas on a summer mission trip. He was fumbling with an ipad, iphone and imac at different intervals throughout the trip. This marketing angle may be something apple can continue to heave onto a new generation but only for so long. At some point everyone will become tired of multiple devices that become obsolete on an never ending 8 month cycle.
     
  6. Jun 23, 2012 #26 of 111
    billsharpe

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    My iPod Touch is far from obsolete after two years.
     
  7. Jun 23, 2012 #27 of 111
    phrelin

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    You know, I've never had my iPad crash and I've never had a Windows machine that didn't.

    But Microsoft didn't make the hardware. This could be interesting for an old guy who reluctantly gave up TRS-DOS for MS-DOS and has used a Microsoft OS ever since.
     
  8. Jun 24, 2012 #28 of 111
    jdskycaster

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    The fact that you are still using an ipod touch after two years and not an iphone or ipad or both is explanation enough.
     
  9. Jun 24, 2012 #29 of 111
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    Yeah but it's Microsoft. ~shudder~ :rolleyes:
     
  10. Jun 24, 2012 #30 of 111
    Cholly

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    Another thought about the Surface Pro: at roughly a half inch thick and weighing close to two pounds, it's more likely to compete against Ultrabooks than the iPad.
     
  11. Jun 24, 2012 #31 of 111
    Drew2k

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    If the Surface Pro was available in the next month, I may be considering it... but the fall?

    The hinge hardware on my laptop display is starting to fail, to the point where I can't flip the display down now without the case separating at the seams around the display. The laptop is 4 years 1 month old (and I upgraded it from XP to Win7 Ultimate) and I'm definitely overdue for an upgrade, but do I want another laptop?

    I'm an Android guy and love my Ice Cream Sandwich tablet, but I still need a Windows machine primarily for Quicken and MS Office plus Visio and some other development software, so the Surface Pro with the add-n keyboard could be a really nice option. I just hope my current laptop display lasts until the fall ...
     
  12. Jun 24, 2012 #32 of 111
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    The RT based one is Fall. The one using Pro is after that by several months.
     
  13. Jun 24, 2012 #33 of 111
    Drew2k

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    I thought I read the Pro would be out before Christmas, so as long as it's out before 12/21 I guess that's still "fall"! :p

    If it's not out until after Christmas, MS is just wasting my time with a half-year tease!
     
  14. Jun 25, 2012 #34 of 111
    billsharpe

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    I never mentioned an iPad in my post, but I do have an iPad2. I do not own a smartphone at all. iPod fits in my pocket; iPad does not. Nuff said...
     
  15. Jun 25, 2012 #35 of 111
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    phrelin, Knock wood, However I can't recall the last time I had one of my windows machines crash.

    My work Windows XP Pro computer did crash, I replaced the bad memory and it works reliable every day too.

    The two Point of sale computers here run XP and they run 24 hours a day. The last time one of them went down was a hardware failure, I replaced the bad capacitors on the motherboard and it was back up and running an hour later. The other one never went down but I replaced the power supply since the fan was getting noisy.

    I blame the the fact that they are reliable on shutting them down, except the point of sale computers and the servers (run 24 -7, no problems), each night, quality components and brands, blowing the dust out and only using Intel CPUs.
     
  16. Jun 25, 2012 #36 of 111
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    Curious. Is it an HP laptop? I had an HP that did the exact same thing.
     
  17. Jun 25, 2012 #37 of 111
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    I'm overstating it - these aren't total system crashes, just software "not responding" and occasionally crashing Windows Explorer. We do more ctrl-alt-del to run Windows Task Manager than we should. I'd like to blame the problems in our household on components. But it is the combinations of old versions of software, hardware settings, registry problems, etc., that we use.

    And actually, after one OS upgrade my iPad Safari would just close on me.
     
  18. Jun 25, 2012 #38 of 111
    Drew2k

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    Yes. An HP Pavilion. I'm happy I had 4+ years out of it, but I was hoping to pass this on to someone else in the family and with the display panel/hinge area as weak as it is I might just scrap it.
     
  19. Jun 26, 2012 #39 of 111
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    That actually sounds fixable. TBoneit should be able to give you an idea if it's fixable.

    Rich
     
  20. Jun 26, 2012 #40 of 111
    Chris Blount

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    IHMO, Microsoft is already making mistakes. First, if they have something to sell, then sell it. The presentation had no pricing information and no definitive release date. At least with Apple, they tell you how much it's going to cost and when it will be available. Microsoft really needs to get their ducks in a row when it comes to marketing.

    On top of all that, the device crashed during the presentation.

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    The Surface looks pretty cool and I will definitely be looking at one, but as of right now, I'm very cautious.
     

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