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Discussion in 'The OT' started by Un-lucky, Sep 9, 2004.

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  1. Capmeister

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    Oh, well, maybe it would be better if we were in nice, safe, camps?
     
  2. Paladin

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    Nope, just you! :D :D
     
  3. Richard King

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    WARNING TO PALADIN AND HAPPY.... CUT IT OUT OR YOU BOTH WILL BE GONE.
     
  4. HappyGoLucky

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    Kerry did not accuse the RNC or Bush of anything. He relayed the conclusion from the government report. How you interpret what he said is your own problem.
     
  5. Capmeister

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    Ok, who's the THEY in the below:



    WASHINGTON - John Kerry (news - web sites) suggested Saturday night that Republicans may try to keep black voters from casting their ballots to help President Bush (news - web sites) win in November. "We are not going to stand by and allow another million African American votes to go uncounted in this election," the Democratic presidential nominee told the Congressional Black Caucus (news - web sites).

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    "We are not going to stand by and allow acts of voter suppression, and we're hearing those things again in this election."



    Kerry has a team of lawyers to examine possible voting problems to try to prevent a repeat of the 2000 election disputes. He also has said he has thousands of lawyers around the country prepared to monitor the polls on election day.

    "What they did in Florida in 2000, some say they may be planning to do this year in battleground states all across this country," Kerry said. "Well, we are here to let them know that we will fight tooth and nail to make sure that this time, every vote is counted and every vote counts."

     
  6. toenail

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    I would call that proof beyond a reasonable doubt.
     
  7. Capmeister

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    HGL is trying to sell me that the CBC and the DNC haven't been saying that the GOP (is that enough acronyms?) "disenfranchized" black voters. If that's the case, who is the "they?"
     
  8. toenail

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    Perhaps my post wasn't clear. I felt that your post was proof beyond a reasonable doubt that you were corrrect.
     
  9. jonstad

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    The "THEY" starts with Katherine Harris wearing the hats of chief Florida elections official, Secretary of State, co-chair of the Bush FLA campaign, who certified the election for Bush when it was far too close to call and then worked tirelessly to prevent any recounts, AND Jeb Bush, who oversaw the whole thing of course with tons of plausable deniability. The tools "THEY" used included but were not limited to the notorious felon purge list which erroneously excluded tens of thousands of largely minority voters without their knowledge and with no recourse after the fact.

    The NAACP and Florida settled a lawsuit addressing these issues with Florida vowing to correct the inequities. From all appearances so far, Florida's sincerity and dedication to these efforts appear supperficial at best. For instance, there is an entirely new felon purge list without restoration of those erroneously purged in 2000 and no concerted effort to make sure the new list will not result in the same problems.

    These are the issues Kerry was addressing. His audience was well aware of what he was talking about as should anyone willing to do more then a cursory investigation of the situation.
     
  10. toenail

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    If your analysis is correct, I can then look forward to having Katherine Harris and Jeb Bush work their magic in....Minnesota and Wisconsin!! Battleground states where "they" may be planning to do the same thing "they" did in Florida. Maybe you should re-analyze your analysis. :grin:
     
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    The "They" is, as stated in the Commission's report conclusions, localized officials in Florida. There was no accusation that it was a RNC or Bush organized tactic.
     
  13. HappyGoLucky

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    No, and as a lawyer you disappoint me. The "they" as outlined in the Commission report which Kerry is relating are localized officials in Florida. There was no accusation from Kerry that this was an RNC or Bush organized tactic.
     
  14. toenail

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    Kerry said that what "they" did in Florida in 2000 some say "they" may be planning to do in battleground states across the country. I assume that Kerry is fairly articulate and understands english. Since he used the word "they" twice in the same sentence, without any modifiers, both "theys" should be referencing the same people. So, if he was talking about local Florida officials only, why would he fear that local Florida officials were going to try to effect elections in battleground states??? Clearly, he wouldn't. So, he wasn't talking about local officials. Duh. He was talking about the big "they." The evil RNC.
     
  15. Capmeister

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    I was going to reply, but you said it all.
     
  16. HappyGoLucky

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    That is only your opinion. Local officials are all over the country, and as the Commission report clearly outlined, in Florida they did interfere with the voting process. Kerry desires to prevent that from happening again in Florida or elsewhere.

    Again, there was no accusation against Bush or the RNC.
     
  17. toenail

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    Actually there was. But to determine that you need to use logic and reasoning, and have a fundamental understanding of english. Since you are obviously capable of all of the above, I have to assume that your bias prevents you from using them.
     
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    To assume the events and outcome of FLA 2000 were lost on officials of either party in "Minnesota and Wisconsin", or elsewhere, is to naively underestimate their savvy or the lengths politicians and their lackeys will go to to secure an election win. Where applicable(not MN or WI), similar "felon purge lists" are being considered and may be implemented for 2004, mostly by GOP officials for whom such lists are an advantage. I have no illusion Democrats would hesitate to do the same or similar should they feel it would advantage them.

    Someone will naturally bring up Mayor Daley and his shenanigans or some other electoral travesty. But does that justify what happened in FLA 2000? If so, should we allow Cook County to continue allowing dead people to vote?

    Voting irregularities on both sides should be investigated and corrected. Or is it OK as long as it's your side who is the beneficiary?
     
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    jon,

    I'm all for election reform. In fact, I'm a huge proponent of the idea of a national voter registration card. The biggest problem in election reform is that it is up to the states on how an election is run.

    However, very little real voter reform will ever happen, because the Democrats will always stonewall it. I know you'll disagree, but I think it's clear that Democrats, by a wide margin, are the benefactors of election fraud more so than Republicans.

    Homeless people being bussed from polling station to polling station in exchange for food: They're voting for Democrats
    People voting in West Palm Beach and the Upper East Side of Manhattan by absentee ballot: They're voting for Democrats
    Illegal Aliens: They're voting for Democrats
    Convicted Felons: They're voting for Democrats
    Native Americans in South Dakota who never existed: They're voting for Democrats
    Dead people in Illinois: Do I need to say it?
    etc.....
     
  20. toenail

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    I don't disagree with you, but that's beyond what we were talking about. And the travesty in Florida largely appears to have occurred due to the apparently incompetent county election officials who put out butterfly ballots that the elderly electorate allegedly could not understand. There's certainly room for election shenanigans in each state. But history shows shows that the Democratic party is the more likely purveyor of such sorry scams. So, if Kerry is going to assert that no such things shall occur this year, he should begin by reining in his own party bosses before he worries about the GOP. Quite frankly, the GOP isn't in the same league with the Dems. I say that with a mix of distaste and admiration for the Dems. I have to admit that they are good at what they do. ;)
     
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