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Motion blur...myth?

Discussion in 'High Definition Displays' started by sigma1914, Nov 3, 2010.

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  1. Richierich

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    And uses twice as much electricity as an LCD. I have both a Fujitsu 50" Plasma and a 52" Samsung LCD and I have looked at the wattages on both of them and the Plasma definitely eats up twice the amount of watts and is very hot.

    My LCD looks Awesome and better than my Fujitsu Plasma which was $14,000 when I bought it even though I didn't pay that much for it.
     
  2. Mike Bertelson

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    That's a bummer Blazer. Have you looked at the threads on AVS about burnin? It doesn't sound like it'll help much but it's worth a try.

    After reading this thread I've been watching my plasma for signs of burnin but I haven't seen any. I wonder why it's such a problem for some and not for others. :scratchin

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  3. TBlazer07

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    Yea, AVS pointed me to the "burnin'" slides. I also have a B&W "snow" video which I use. It's only visible on light backgrounds.
     
  4. TBlazer07

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    According to what I have been reading, newer PDP models have come much closer to LCD power usage just like LCD's are getting closer to PDP black.

    I think Plasmas are like Beta VCR's were. Always better but don't sell as well. I could live with most everything an LCD does "worse" then a PDP except for the judder. I was looking at a $3000 LCD in a store and panning made me dizzy. Admittedly it wasn't calibrated, but that seems to be one of the big issues with LCD. "They" say that when you adjust an LCD to remove the judder you lose something else, like PQ.
     
  5. Richierich

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    Well, my espensive LCD looks a Tad bit Better than my expensive Plasma and I paid alot for my Plasma way back when, and I get so many compliments on it when people come into my Home Entertainment Area.

    I don't see any Judder. All I see is Stunning Picture Quality. My Plasma seems more washed out but the PQ is still great but just not as Bright and Stunning as my LCD.

    Some might even say it looks more Natural than my LCD but I'll take either one of them over my Rear Projection Mitshbishi.
     
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    I have a good friend who's a long-time home theater installer who installs the latest and greatest displays every day. He's a real stickler for video quality, and when the day comes he replaces his own plasmas with LCD's, then I might consider one. :) I also frequent the AVS forums, and see from their posts that ISF calibrators, like Larry in RI and D-Nice, still personally use plasmas as well.

    I think part of the appeal of today's LCD TV's is how thin and elegant they are compared to plasmas. They look much sleeker when they're "off", and as a result may have a very high WAF. You pay a premium for that, tho, when you consider the price differential between comparably-sized top of the line LCD/LED sets vs. plasmas.

    I watch most of my TV on a calibrated 2009 65" Panny plasma I wouldn't trade for anything but the model that replaced it. The picture quality is so realistic, I sometimes feel like I'm watching 3D on some shows! Just my experience, tho. Others' mileage may vary.
     
  7. sigma1914

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    I think that's why Samsung designed a sleek plasma like the one I got. It's super thin:

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  8. Steve

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    Ya. Some of those LCD's are beautifully designed. Like Museum of Modern Art pieces! :)
     
  9. Mike Bertelson

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    The Samsungs are about to get sleeker. They are going to start using Gorilla Glass in their plasmas starting with the 2011 model year. :)

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  10. TBlazer07

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    I never saw judder until I found out what it was. Then it drove me nuts. :sure:
     
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    Most plasmas retain full 1080p motion resolution at 24, 60, and 96hz. There is no need for them to go above those refresh rates because they do not suffer from loss of motion resolution like LCD. The whole objective behind the high refresh rates on LCDs, with motion tweening (soap opera effect) is to try to maintain motion resolution.
     
  13. Laxguy

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    And size matters! For this reason, I got, just a year ago, a 58" Samsung plasma, and a 32" Samsung LCD. Could not be happier with both of them.

    It seems in this thread some are comparing 5+ year old plasmas with new LCD's, etc. ..... date of purchase would be helpful.

    No sign of burn in, but I seldom just leave the set on, and FF a lot, which gets rid of logo/token/crawl/whatever somewhat frequently. Plus, DirecTV puts its floating logo out when I do pause and leave the room.
     
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    My main concern with plasmas is they get dimmer with age. Lose there brightest. Panny's I think are among the worse. I for one hate a dull picture and enjoy a bright crisp picture. I do own a Vizio plasma and it doesn't provide the picture of my LCD but does look a lot better with SD programming vs my LCD.
     
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    More a theoretical than practical issue, just like with picture tubes on the old CRT sets. My Panny's are rated 30 years to "half-brightness", if viewed 8 hours a day. We watch our 65" plasma about 2-4 hours per day, so worst case, that's 60 years to half brightness, or about 1/120th loss of brightness per year. And right now my brightness is set at 65, on a scale of 1-100, so plenty of headroom to increase brightness if it ever became an issue. My oldest plasma is 5 years old and is still set at the calibrated brightness and contrast settings from day one.
     
  16. Mike Bertelson

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    Unless you have thirty thousand plus hours on you Vizio, it really shouldn't appear dim. AAMOF, a typical plasma TV has the life span of the CRT we all grew up with. Many of the name brands now have 100,000 hour panels...under optimal conditions. Ok, so that’s a lot of marketing mumbo jumbo, but lets say its 50,000 hours, that’s still a real long time. If your TV is on 6 hours a day, then that’s over 22 years of life. If we go with 30,000 hours at on 6 hours a day it’s still 14 years. Unless your TV is pretty old you shouldn’t notice any degradation is brightness.

    Have you had it calibrated? You can get one of those calibration DVDs (I use Digital Video Essentials). That might help restore your picture.

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    Makes for great supplemental heating in the winter.

    Seven Panny plasmas and no picture retention on any of them. My son's been playing games on his 50" plasma for years and no picture retention at all.

    The 60 Hertz sets were a ripoff from the get-go. A few months ago, I stood in front of a wall of LCDs from all manufacturers in a 6TH Avenue store after a salesman challenged me to pick out the 240 Hertz sets on the wall while the World Cup was being displayed. Took me less than five minutes to pick out the 240s. The rest were 60s and 120s and the salesman admitted that the 60s were junk, but we drew a crowd while I showed him the motion blur on the 120s. The 240s seemed to be fine. There were five or six on the wall and they were clearly better. Look at it this way, I can afford to buy any TV and I only buy plasmas. I might take a shot at a 240 LCD the next time I buy one. I did like the Sonys the best.

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    I have no problem with either issue. I don't like the new Panny plasma I just bought, tho.

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  20. Richierich

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    Not to mention that my Plasma uses twice as much wattage as my LCD!!!

    Therein lies the reason for the Heat!!!
     

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