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Discussion in 'DIRECTV Programming' started by sticketfan, May 18, 2012.

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  1. Jul 11, 2012 #241 of 1671
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    Hey FenixTX, if you do not like it then don't read it.

    And to clarify your post, I never said it was entirely Directv's fault if you care to read backwards in the posts before shooting your mouth off. No doubt the Pac 12 carries responsibility here as well.

    Whatever you think of it there is a market value established for the channel by the competitors signing on over a year ago. Over a year ago....and now we're down to the final month and a half......? The fact remains that with the market value established Directv knows what it can get the channels for, period.

    And, finally, Directv markets and differentiates itself on sports programming. I didn't make that philosophy up. That's how Directv has chosen to market itself, so therefore, there is an expectation that Directv step up here.

    And again, if you do not like to read it don't. You make choice and I make choices.



     
  2. Jul 12, 2012 #242 of 1671
    tonyd79

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    There is no market value for all seven channels as no one has agreed to carry all seven. Cable systems will carry at most the local channel and the national one. Satellite systems and the PAC 12 need to work out how to handle a larger geographic footprint and all seven channels.
     
  3. Jul 12, 2012 #243 of 1671
    FenixTX

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    Thanks for that. You beat me to the response. Exactly what I was going to say.
     
  4. Jul 12, 2012 #244 of 1671
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    That's not really true.

    First, sports bars nationwide show all sorts of games. They are not going to do an internet feed to just get some games. Not to mention that there are nationwide fans of the Pac 12 all over the country and the world.

    Correct me if I am wrong, but some cable companies are carrying all 7 - just the 1 local one in the regular package and then the remainder in a sports tier.
     
  5. Jul 12, 2012 #245 of 1671
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    Find me one. Every article I read said that they would carry one to two. You seemed to have missed this. If you live in Oregon, you would get the Oregon/OSU channel and maybe the national. Games on the LA channel would be only on delay, not live. the PAC 12 appears to be asking only satellite to carry all seven.

    As for bars, where do you think they get the channels? Mostly from directv. Cable companies do not do many out of region channels.
     
  6. Jul 12, 2012 #246 of 1671
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    No cable provider is carrying all 7 channels as far as I know. They will carry the main network, and 1 (or 2) of the local channels.

    That said, of course, they are receiving and distributing all 7 feeds.

    DirecTV has the disadvantage that they will need to use 7 transponder spots for these channels, as that is the only way to guarantee that Oregonians, Utahans, Californians, Arizonians, can see THEIR local team when they play.

    I have done a little searching, and know Time Warner Cable and Comcast will both carry the main network, and at least 1 of the local networks in each market.

    Here's an interesting read from a television/media journalist for a newspaper in Utah:

    http://www.paradisepost.com/sports/ci_21013373/pierce-write-it-down-mdash-pac-12-network
     
  7. Jul 12, 2012 #247 of 1671
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    One of the best sources has been Jon Wilner of the Bay Area Newsgroup. He has a direct connection to the Pac 12 being the offices are in Walnut Creek CA and the Pac 12 network are based in SF. If anyone has questions read his blog, he breaks it down to basically not being worried until it's 8/29.
     
  8. Jul 12, 2012 #248 of 1671
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    What are you talking about? Most sports bars get their sports from Directv. Directv makes some good money off that market segment as well. What are you suggesting....that they get their Pac 12 from an internet feed? That would make no sense. Directv makes far more off a bar than they do a consumer.....so both need each other.
     
  9. Jul 12, 2012 #249 of 1671
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    Not disagreeing with that. What I believe DirecTV is trying to do is have the national channel full time and the regional ones as part time, game only channels. The PAC 12 has stated that they want all seven on fulltime (something they appear to not be making cable systems do).

    I believe that is the sticking point at this point. I personally agree with DirecTV in that bandwidth is still at a premium even though they currently have space and that game-only regional channels would serve the purpose of their customers (including the bars). I can understand that the Pac 12 is trying to make a statement and do something new but I do not think it reasonable in today's marketplace.

    I believe the PAC 12 is going to have about 2 events per day (some days will be a lot, other days maybe none) on in the first year. Part time regional channels will work well in that situation.

    There is also an issue of who gets what and how they pay for it. Cable systems will have their local regional and not others. Does that mean DirecTV limits base access to local areas (SF channel for Bay Area, Oregon channel for Oregon) with an extra tier for national access or do all seven become available to all like the BTN?

    What I am saying is that the issues are far more complicated for a satellite provider than a cable system in terms of what is on air, what the pricing structure is, etc. And from what I gather, most cable systems have not actually stated what they will actually present yet. (Maybe that has started happening, I have not checked in the last week or two.)
     
  10. Jul 12, 2012 #250 of 1671
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    I don't see why DIRECTV doesn't just do what all the cable companies are doing,they can absolutely do the same. Run the locals off spot beams for each market, and run the national on a conus. That is the best solution overall.

    I don't see the pac12 going for part time on the locals, especially considering those would be on a lot. And if your going to carry a local,they are going to want their local programs they are paying to produce to get air time as well. I don't think they are trying to force DIRECTV to have them all on full time, I think they are saying if you carry a channel, you have to carry it, you can't make a channel part time.

    I still think its to early to worry about any of this though. As tony says, it's all extremely complicated, especially with sat and the national coverage abilities it has.

    However, the one thing I do disagree with, the local channels are important for the local areas. Game only will not provide what the pac12 wants and likely what the people in those local markets will want from the pac12 channels. We would loose programing from what we have today except for games. There's a lot of non game stuff n the RSNs in Los Angeles today, and I'd assume the same in other markets as well,that just won't be available on the national channel, there's not enough time in the day.

    You know, it's entirely possible DIRECTV could pick up just the six regional channels nationwide, and not even touch the national channel too. If its on the national channel it will be on a regional one somewhere too, always,from the way it has been described.

    I would not be surprised if DIRECTV picked up all the locals and not the national,and dish picked up just the national channel. I guess we will know by September.
     
  11. Jul 12, 2012 #251 of 1671
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    Say USC vs Oregon Ducks is on, and it plays on the Oregon local, and on the Socal local (with each their local commentators) but not on the main PAC-12 channel because it shows e.g. Standford vs Washington State at that time.

    How would a sports bar in Phoenix (who now has access to the non-blacked-out FS Sports West through the sports pack to get the game) show the game to its customers? There are a LOT of Socal transplants in Phoenix, and my brother in-law who has cable doesn't always get all USC games, but a local sports bar with DirecTV does, so sometimes he goes there.

    I think the ONLY reason why we are thinking about spot beams is because we, the TV freaks, are afraid that precious bandwidth isn't going to be left for glorious BASIC HD. :D

    I think the problem is mainly that in 2011, a Sports bar in *any* of the PAC-12 territories could show *any* of the games, as it had access to all the CONUS RSN's which the schools had contracts with.

    Now, in 2012, all rights are with PAC12, who is showing most games on their own networks, plus a number of national games on channels like ABC/ESPN.

    I think the only way to guarantee that you, as a sportsbar in Utah somewhere can show the USC vs Arizona State game to your clients - which you could in 2011 - is to have those channels on CONUS.

    It's a difficult situation because bandwidth is limited. But it is becoming more and more evident that DirecTV might not be able to forego on the local channels. After all, sports bars are a big part of their bread and butter.
     
  12. Jul 12, 2012 #252 of 1671
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    Well.... yes and no. From what I can gather, cable operators are going to show the LOCAL channels full time as well, as they are full time.

    Cable as a technology though, doesn't need to use precious transponders on an expensive satellite to distribute the 7 feeds, they will just distribute the FULL TIME feeds to their respective regions.

    DirecTV's hurdle is that THEY have a lot of sportsbars as customers, where Cable does not. In other words, DirecTV has to be able to bring a e.g. Arizona State vs Utah game to San Francisco sports bars, where cable does not have that problem.
     
  13. Jul 12, 2012 #253 of 1671
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    Actually, that would be a natural assumption but last time I looked, no one has spelled out that they will have more than one full time channel. Heck, some systems may only have the local.

    But you have it right. It is a different hurdle for satellite. But, if they only provide local on spot beams, who would the bars turn to as no one else will have all seven. The missing point is that there is no true alternative via cable.

    Yes, directv wants the PAC 12 and sports is key to them but all seven full time does nothing for them. Games do.
     
  14. Jul 12, 2012 #254 of 1671
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    I wonder if D* could squeeze all seven channels onto one transponder? ;)
     
  15. Jul 12, 2012 #255 of 1671
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    I called them up expressing my hope that they add the PAC-12 network. I'm a huge college football fan and I want to watch my alma mater.
     
  16. Jul 12, 2012 #256 of 1671
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    I can think of worse solutions. Not a bad idea. :)
     
  17. Jul 12, 2012 #257 of 1671
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    Seven on one transponder for sports?
     
  18. Jul 13, 2012 #258 of 1671
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    I am not thinking about spot beams for bandwidth issues. I don't think there is any reason they can't launch all seven conus right now and not have issues. I juts don't see enough Hi Definition channels left to get overall if they can go to six channels a transponder. And if Viacom isn't back on by September, I'm not sure it will ever be, and that'd open up even more room.

    There aren't going to be too many games that aren't shown on the national channel, if any at all for football, once they get under way with the regular season. We haven't seen the schedule yet, but I have a feeling the only time this would hurt is when everyone is playing non pac12 teams. So that really wouldn't be a it deal..

    One other possibility, they could go full time locals in the local regions, with part time game only on conus too, if they are worried about that much bandwidth till after d14 launches. The bandwidth question is really more about money if indeed they are getting to six channels a transponder by spending money on new coders or something of that nature.

    The only reason I am thinking locals on spots is money per subscriber. I doubt DIRECTV pays the same for full time channels as it does for part time ones.
     
  19. Jul 16, 2012 #259 of 1671
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    The DirecTV spokesperson and/or CEO have already stated they definitely will not have all 7 channels. So that eliminates that.
    I do think they may end up with the National channel, and possibly one or two overflow channels, when more than one game is on at the same time.

    Apparently the national channel will also rebroadcast (encore) games again from the regional networks on the national network, but of course those would be replay broadcasts, not live.
    Those would probably be on late at night, after midnight, when they have nothing else to put on the national network during those time slots.
     
  20. Jul 16, 2012 #260 of 1671
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    That doesn't eliminate anything. Michael White, President was simply puffing to strengthen his own negotiating position. It's entirely possible he was serious, equally possible he wasn't. As a former soda man he barely understands the TV game just yet. He's struggling to get a grip on what his role is at Directv and how he can ad value to it, but that role is left between him and his shareholders (and the Board of Directors). If he causes a LOT of long time subs to leave - the ones who pony up good revenues per month - then he'll suffer the consequences by board and shareholder action.

    Now dropping Viacom and it's niche channels really isn't a big deal. Yes they have a few channels, Comedy Central and Nick that produce some good ratings (at times), but with 17 channels there are 15 other losers in that bunch. Mu guess is that the folks that are really crying foul are the ones that don't spend much with Directv beyond the basic subscription anyway. The profitable customer is, frankly, the sports customer. Those channels produce large dollars and White has to be mindful of that.
     
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