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Discussion in 'DIRECTV Programming' started by sticketfan, May 18, 2012.
I know and I stand by what I said.
Good for you. There are several major league baseball games a year that have audiences in the couple dozen thousand. Two grand for a non revenue game is not that far off.
Edit to add: the average audience for the Washington Nationals in 2011 was 29,000 and that was UP from 2010. But you think non revenue sports in the PAC 12 will draw more.
I think some of the games can, as well as some of their non game programs. not always, but sometimes. Heck, for some sports, I wouldn't be surprised if a colleges campus alone might have more people watching that 2k.
I expect that for the big ten channel as well. I don't simply say hat because I think the PAC 12 is so big, I say that because I think there are people that would watch all this more if it where available easier and more often. Just look at the ratings for the Olympics, or the tour de France, etc. People do have interests in Olympic sports, and I think the PAC 12 and the big ten, and NBC universal sports will continue to help these sports and their ratings grow.
It makes No sense to alienate a lot of viewers, that would be bad...
Jon Wilner of the Bay Area Newsgroup posted via Twitter that PAC 12 reps were very optimistic a deal with DirecTV will be worked out. As for Dish he said they hinted you might need to find another provider. So for us DirecTV customers hopefully this is good news and after the Olympics we may see the channel(s) added. One other bit of news was Sacramento and San Diego will not be "home markets" for the Pac 12, meaning you might need Sports Pack for the channel.
I take it that would mean Las Vegas is out and the 'Home Markets' would be defined as immediate DMAs of which the colleges are located. Not a big deal at least for those that already have the sports pack.
Are you really comparing audiences that go to the stadium to the viewers that watch it on TV?
I know Softball draws a pretty big viewing crowd on television. The UCLA Softball team is actually rather popular around here. Their stadium barely holds 1200 people I think, but I have seen it being played in quite a many bars around here.
But then, the Los Angeles market with 2 universities also has a viewing public of about 18 million. 25 million if you include San Diego and everything else south of Fresno that don't have any other PAC12 universities. It's not that hard to fathom that you could draw a good nice amount of viewers from that pool.
If the games would be available nationwide, the ratings would go up as well of course. Some of the ESPN games of College Softball drew well over a million viewers, from what I have been able to find on Google. One search yielded the numbers for the Softball College World Series, which in 2005 drew over 4 million viewers. Granted, these are championships.... but I would imagine that the viewership for a popular team like UCLA, would be VERY WELL over the 2000 listed in this topic.
In contrast there are plenty of channels that probably draw less in viewership in total. BBC America's Doctor Who has a RECORD viewership of 1.3 Million. And I would give up all of PAC12 if I could get that station in HD finally.
Additionally, these games were previously available nationwide to people with the SportsPack. Although that doesn't guarantee viewers, I would imagine that about 20% - and this is a pure guess - of DirecTV subscribers have the sports pack. (At the very least, ALL sports bars have them).
By the way, I do remember sitting in a sportsbar in Port Huron, MI of all places some years ago, and seeing that one of the monitors was showing Baseball, UCLA vs Cal Poly. It wasn't the main sport on of course, I think there was a Pistons game going that drew a crowd, we were there just to have a drink and chat. But being the one from California, I remember recognizing UCLA on the screen.
Again, that doesn't say *anything* about popularity, and I could be completely off base compared to actual market research. But the fact that a UCLA vs Cal Poly game was playing in a divy sports bar in Michigan somewhere should tell you something.
Now, that could have been a game on ESPN or a national outlet, I honestly don't remember that. But things have changed quite a bit with the PAC12 taking control of all the broadcast rights, and I do know that without CONUS coverage, a lot of sports will be lost to viewers nationwide.
We'll see how this pans out. I am perfectly fine with just being able to see a UCLA softball game, some soccer, and some track and field, I don't need to see all the other universities. But I can't say how many viewers have been enjoying PAC12 college sports outside of the PAC12 area, and how much access they will lose.
DirecTV being the "sports leader" would be wanting to make sure that they don't LOSE sports coverage.... I am still thinking DirecTV will carry most sports on a CONUS basis, whether they do this by just carrying the games or just the channels, who knows. If the bandwidth is available, I don't see a problem with CONUS carriage.
Yeah that's probably not a big deal.
The way TWC is going to distribute it is that if you live in a PAC12 DMA, you will get the regional channel for free on your regular basic tier, more or less like a RSN, and you can get the main channel through a sports pack.
If you are not in a DMA, you get the main channel in a sports pack, and it looks like that if you are not in a DMA (such as Hawaii) TWC will provide access to the other regionals, albeit in SD.
UCLA alum in Maine.
Hard to speculate what I would like DirecTV to do... Carry the network/regional(s) locally/conus... with what little information is available, aside from forum speculation.
Based on two bits of information, the released schedules, and subscriber cost assumption (using the $9.99 cable pricing), I'm likely going to pass on anything beyond the network channel, if it is even going to be available in the NE.
Seems that programming on the regionals, replicates, with few exceptions, the network channel, so I'm not going to spend $9.99 for each/any regional.
I do watch the "non-revenue'rs", albeit like most band-wagoners, not really until the NCAA regionals/finals, which will probably still be on ESPN/national networks.
I have Premiere/RSN's along with NY/LA DNS, so up to this point I've been covered, with NCAA programming including the PAC12, but am prepared to do without if the cable cost is representative of what DirecTV will charge.
No. That was TV viewing.
Yeah that might be a factor indeed. I am still not 100% sure if that Comcast price mentioned is official by the way, there hasn't been any official announcements.
Time Warner for instance, in Hawaii, just requires you to have a "Sports Pass" subscription. Hawaii, being out of the PAC12 DMA, will get the main network in HD, and all 6 of the regionals in SD. So if you have Sports Pass in Hawaii, you get all of em.
Official announcement for TWC Hawaii reads:
"Statewide, on or about August 16, Pac-12 National Network SD and HD will be launched on the Sports Pass and Pac-12 Regional Networks (Los Angeles, Bay Area, Washington, Oregon, Arizona, and Mountain) will be launched in SD on Sports Pass."
So.... "it depends". (Doesn't it always?)
Southern California, which is in the DMA for a PAC12 university, does this:
"On or after August 15, 2012, PAC 12 LA and PAC 12 LA HD will be made available to customers with subscription to the Variety tier. PAC 12 National and PAC 12 National HD will be made available to customers with subscription to the TWC Sports Pass."
This, by the way, comes from the SAN DIEGO website, as the Los Angeles one hasn't been updated yet. This would indicate though that although PAC-12 considers San Diego "out of market", as far as TWC is concerned, they will get PAC12 Los Angeles for "free" and PAC12 National in Sports Pass.
A twitter update from @DirecTV, nothing new:
"We've been in discussions with Pac 12 for months and anticipate having more updates as the new school year gets near!"
Looks like they are closing in on some sort of deal, just no details on how it is going to look.
Maybe someone here can explain to me how D14 is going to provide lots more bandwidth like they claim. As I see it DirecTV is licensed for certain satellite locations.
Is there a satellite location that the current dishes can see that is so underutilized that D14 can make a difference?
SPACEWAY-1, DIRECTV-10, and DIRECTV-12 are at 103°W. SPACEWAY-2 and DIRECTV-11 are at 99°W, which is also where DIRECTV-14 is headed.
Interesting remark made in the anticipation thread:
"And the LA DMA local HD channels carried are now so numerous with 16 (plus two MPEG-4 SD), DIRECTV uses three spotbeam transponders distributed over two overlapping spotbeams from 103w plus space on CONUS beam transponders at 99w for the big four."
Spotbeams might be getting pretty full too, now that Los Angeles got 5 new HD channels today. (Mostly Spanish). Finding 6 spots on 6 spotbeams might not work either.... but again, I don't know much about available bandwidth on spotbeams.
I'm a USC parent in Atlanta, and while I really, REALLY want the LA P12 channel, if they get crazy with cost, I'll have to do without. I'm not happy about it though.
DIRECTV is not using at least 12 slots right now, they are simply empty. They have also started moving to six channels per transponder by changing encoders to ones that are more efficient, etc, so if they can get one more channel per transponder, or close to it, then they can get a lot more Hi Definition channels up within the existing bandwidth already being used, without degrading any pq like they did to sd years ago.
Yeah I really don't think they can avoid going CONUS on most of the PAC12 stuff.... I am still not convinced (as there has been no official announcements) that the Comcast price was correct.
I think what will happen is that all of the PAC12 channels will be in the Sports Pack, and you will get your regional channel outside of the Sports Pack if you live in one of the DMA's. Time Warner seems to do that approach.
Of course there is Mike White saying that they won't carry 7 channels, but that could just be mudslinging. We'll have to wait and see, DirecTV says "announcements are forthcoming closer to the school year". That tells me they are thinking of getting a carriage agreement, just not sure to what it all will entail.
On Twitter, I follow Jon Wilner- Mercury Times (San Jose) and he always has good insight on the Pac 12. This article came out yesterday (July 26), seems like there may be hope.
Will there be a new sports soon (one with no RSN's?) also be nice for them to add the red zone to the sports pack.