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  1. Jul 30, 2012 #421 of 1671
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    So says you. In many cities in the USA soccer has a very strong presence. For example, come to the Pacific Northwest and see the Portland Timbers play to sell out crowds every game. Season tickets are waiting list. I believe Seattle does quite well as well, so just because in your city and state soccer is not a huge event that doesn't make it so everywhere else.

    To put things in perspective, here's someone's list of the soccer attendance this year...http://mlsattendance.blogspot.com/

    I'd say the full house is the rule, rather than the exception except in DC, Chicago and a few other places.....interesting....clearly does not appeal to everyone, but this is why more and more soccer channels are coming online all the time.
     
  2. Jul 30, 2012 #422 of 1671
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    Do you read? It wasn't from a single event. It took time. What you are citing started forty years ago and grew slowly. I happen to live near DC and a soccer team that has been a huge success for years.

    Soccer did figure out to not play in places like giants stadium but focus more on mid sized stadiums built for soccer. That has made a world of difference because the atmosphere changed.

    My point had nothing to do with soccer getting better. It had to do with the conjecture that one Olympics would change the dynamics on the non-revenue sports for the PAC 12 channel. It just doesn't work that way for any sport at any time. And if it does at all, it is a short term blip.
     
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    Oh yes, I read. I think you are just wrong. To generalize like you do here is just wrong. For many kids yes they got their big interest in soccer by being exposed to it on the Olympics.

    For example, my parents in the last 1960s and early 1970s has no idea whatsoever of soccer. They saw in in the Olympics and then it was not so awkward to them when they signed me up to play and I have played and coached it ever since at just about every level.

    Pro Soccer spread like wildfire in the 1970s and early 1980s and then fell apart. It was a HUGE deal when Pele came to play for the Cosmos in the late 1970 and things started catching on nationally. The pro leagues started failing hard in the 1980s, indoor held on for awhile, but then that fell apart.

    But while all this was going on kids everywhere were playing soccer at every level, recreational and competitive. It was building from those introductions made in the 1960s and 1970s from the Olympics, the World Cup, etc. We didn't have 24 hr sports networks in the 1970s and hardly in the 1980s, until the end of the decade. While pro soccer fell apart and contracted, kids were playing it everywhere.

    Nothing builds overnight, but those viewing kids in the 1960s, 1970s are now the parents of kids and fans themselves. It was hard for my parents to understand the game because they never played it. But I understand it and my kids understand it. It was a revolutionizing event.

    So yes it was those events that started it all. Nothing goes mass market over night, but today it's a real big deal.

    You can call it what you want, but you are just plain wrong.

    The NBA was lagging in the late 1970s and early 1980s to be frank.....TV changed it all. Michael Jordan revolutionized interest in the game. The rest is history.
     
  4. Jul 30, 2012 #424 of 1671
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    I agree with this.

    Events like the World Cup helped accelerate the love for soccer, and the founding of the MLS proved to be successful, but it wasn't born from single events like that, but from a slow steady growth.

    I think partially responsible are the influxes from South American cultures, in particular Mexico. Los Angeles has 2 MLS teams, but no NFL team. And both teams fill up the (same) stadium. A game between Manchester United and L.A. Galaxy, and one between the Galaxy and Real Madrid, filled up the Rose Bowl with 80k+ people, even though the games didn't count for anything.

    I the event that really helped establishing soccer, and subsequent forming od the MLS was the organizing of the 1994 FIFA World Cup.

    This, by the way, does bring me back to Pac-12: Soccer is getting more popular at the university level, especially now that there is a professional league to feed to. UCLA put quite a few players on the map, and in the MLS.
     
  5. Jul 30, 2012 #425 of 1671
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    I think ayso has had more to do with soccers growth than any other single world event, like the Olympics one year. It takes time to build something like that.
     
  6. Jul 30, 2012 #426 of 1671
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    Actually, it's already been noted that the PAC 12 will be available as a separate add on or in a sports tier in some out of market areas some systems.
     
  7. Jul 30, 2012 #427 of 1671
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    Rumor is NBCSN is moving to 220, and a few other channels have moved around in the 600's. Could this be a sign we're going to get it?
     
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    or just makeing room for the new RSN's.

    Also some of the channels in the 600's need to be better grouped at least all the big ten alts should be next to each other.

    They need to move the slot on 615 to 608 or 613
     
  9. Jul 31, 2012 #429 of 1671
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    Yep, but that's not ala carte. Having the main and local regional channel on your system and then picking up other areas on a sports tier (with all sorts of other sports channels) is not ala carte.

    Ala carte is when everything (in this case, every channels) is individually available.....big difference.
     
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    It all starts somewhere.....
     
  11. Jul 31, 2012 #431 of 1671
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    From what I currently can see, all cable companies are using this model:

    1) each region gets both the SD and HD version of the REGIONAL channel for "free", that is, in their most basic cable package. (More or less like RSN's).

    2) The national channel is going to be in a Sports Tier of some sorts, comparable to the DirecTV Sports Pack, both SD and HD.


    Then, in ADDITION to the above, SOME cable companies are offering the OTHER regional channels in a Sports Tier. Most of these offer them in SD to save bandwidth on their local cable networks. TWC offers them as part of the Sports Tier in Hawaii, which is completely outside any PAC12 territory. Comcast does the same in some regions.

    Cox also has an agreement with PAC12, and I am trying to find out what they are going to do in their Las Vegas market. In Socal/OC, they will carry the regional network and the main network in sports tier, as described above.
     
  12. Jul 31, 2012 #432 of 1671
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    Actually, that's exactly how it was noted, for some out of market areas. So some system back east will only have the channels in sports pack or a la cart.

    I don't see that happening in market, and why would it?
     
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    WHO has the channel ala carte?

    Being in a sports tier is not ala carte. ala carte is by itself.
     
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    There are reports that the out of market PAC 12 regionals will be available on some Comcast systems for $9.99 either per channel or for all of them. It was unclear because it came from a Comcast csr on a phone call.
     
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    $9.99 is probably the sports tier price.
     
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    I'm not aware of Comcast having a sports tier. I know they don't here. But the high price for one channel sounds wrong.
     
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    Ah.

    The rumor I posted on Monday turned out to be true then. That same rumor also said Charter would be coming on board "within a few days", so we'll have to wait till Friday or next week for anything on that.
     
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    They have something called the "Sports Entertainment Package" but availability might be different depending on your local area.

    http://www.comcast.com/corporate/programming/sports/sepackage.html?SCRedirect=true

    And here is some info on what channels people are getting with that, some people from Chicago and Pittsburgh posting their Sports Package channel lineup:

    http://forums.comcast.com/t5/Channels-and-Programming/Sports-entertainment-package/td-p/1241701

    This PDF from Michigan also shows it:

    http://www.comcast.com/medialibrary/1/2/cm/vanityurl/documents/michigan/annarborypsi_lineup.pdf

    None of those lineups show PAC12 yet by the way.

    I guess your Comcast division just plainly..... sucks. :D

    In regards to the $9.99 per channel thing.... it was 1 comment from someone in a thread of comments to an article. There is nothing official about it, and might be completely mis-interpreted.

    Basing this on Time Warner Cable, and what they do in e.g. Hawaii being a completely out-of-market area, you should be able to get all PAC12 channels by getting a Sports Tier package, which cost about $10 as well with TWC. I am guessing that Comcast has a similar approach, not a $10-a-channel approach. But again, we'll have to wait till it actually launches.
     
  20. Aug 1, 2012 #440 of 1671
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    Comcast does have a Sports Tier, Up here in Washington state the BTN, CBS college sports, regional Fox Sports channels are included in that.
     
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