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Discussion in 'DIRECTV Programming' started by sticketfan, May 18, 2012.
Article made it sound like the PAC 12 wants all outlets to carry all seven.
When the Pac12 Network was first announced, it was reported that Comcast in the Bay Area would be carrying the Northern California channel and the national channel. I would be surprised if any of the regional cable companies were carrying all 7 channels.
The announcement mentioned 350 events that would be shown on the national channel and another 500 events that would shown on the regional channels.
The national channel is supposed to show all football games and men's basketball games (that are not on other networks) and those 350 events will be shown on ALL regional channels as well.
I would think that at any given time, the national channel and at least one other regional channel would be showing the same live event. Mike White's comment about not carrying all seven channels makes perfect sense from DIRECTV's point of view, as there would probably never be seven unique live events on at the same time.
I've wondered about the numbers, as I've heard that each school gets about 50 events per year, which would be counting the 500 plus 100 of the 350 "national" events. So you could say that the national channel is worth itself plus at least one of the regional channels.
So you could say that by carrying the national channel, you're already carrying two of the seven, but more interestingly you are showing over 40 percent of the live events by just carrying the national channel.
It will be interesting to see how the situation turns out, but in all likelihood, satellite and specifically DIRECTV is probably the way to see the maximum number of events from the Pac12 Network. There is a reason they are the sports leader.
Rather than try to answer each question/comment to my post, I'll just respond that each question brings to light the problems the service provider faces if they can not/will not carry and make available all seven PAC12 stations nationally.
The PAC12 vision, and the programming set up, is for the provider to carry and pay for all of the stations.
If any other conference demands the same deal, it just further compounds the problem.
The PAC12 has a staggering number of nationally ranked teams, all of which are "deserving" of being televised... the problem is that the majority are non-revenue producing = DTV isn't interested in broadcasting (and paying to do so) because they can't sell advertising for those spots. This is the bottom line.
A friend has a daughter in high school being recruited by UCLA for their H2O polo program. If she ends up there (or at another of the nationally-ranked PAC12 schools) he would like to be able to catch her road games on TV.
There are viewers who want to watch sports other than football and basketball... but they are in the minority, and although the PAC12 wants to force-feed comprehensive sports coverage, DTV (specifically the majority viewers) won't subsidize it.
The comment about the BIG10 Network programming is what I am assuming DTV has counter-proposed, and even if the PAC12 "threw in" those non-revenuers for free, I still think that DTV will refuse to broadcast them, actually proposing that the PAC12 PAY THEM to carry those (this concept is not unheard of, there are a few cases where this happened, the SJ Sharks their first two seasons in the Cow comes to mind).
seems more like some of the FSN feeds.
Where there subs feeds and over flow channels.
Cable viewer main get the national as mixed a sub feed with a part time over feed + maybe other alts to show all teams in your area.
or have national full time with a full time RSN feed + alts.
OR the full time rsn feeds can be cut into there own sub feeds.
Directv has bandwidth limits on both SD and HD and with other PRO team RSN starting real soon there may not be the room to fit it all in.
That may be and that is a pickle for Directv to figure out. It may mean pulling down some of the pay per view movies for now, or even dropping many of the low watched channels, etc.
Because if the channel is not carried Directv is going to have more than just a capacity problem - Directv will have a subscriber problem. They will lose a tremendous number of folks in a short period of time.
Michael White gets big bucks as Directv CEO - it's time he he earn his pay. He needs to be less of a mouthpiece and more of a critical thinker.
Let's also remember that MOST of the RSNs - at least on the west coast - are losing a tremendous amount of content with the loss of the Pac 12 - CEO White should be seeking concessions from those channels going forward as well. And with Time Warner starting a Laker channel, in the Los Angeles market Fox Sports West/Prime Ticket has lost even MORE content. What are they going to be showing? Perhaps Directv needs to pull down one of these two channels to create available bandwidth.
It really isn't my problem to figure out. It's Michael White's. I have a provider here in town that will carry the games - Coimcast. I will switch, plain and simple. That means that Directv will lose all it's investment in me over something really dumb. And I know I am not alone in this thinking.
Down seizing ox Sports West/Prime Ticket/San Diego to 1 main + sub feeds does not really help that much also pay per view slots are need for other RSN part time feeds / NFL ST / ETC.
Maybe it's time to start moving to MPEG 4 SD (but then there is all the work to swap out boxes and put in new dishes)
put laker spanish on the 119 satellite
Yep, this is going to be the biggest challenge. And probably the main reason why we aren't seeing any basic additions either. They have the bandwidth to add the coming RSN's and PAC12, but beyond that..... it is going to get very difficult.
I saw a post on Facebook(Arizona State page) yesterday that Arizona St vs Northern AZ is one of the game in early September on Pac_12 Network.
I hope we get this network.
This is what is going to be the situation in Southern California:
2x Fox Sports: Dodgers, Angels, Clippers, Ducks, Kings, Galaxy.
2x Time Warner Sportsnet: Lakers, Chivas USA.
?x PAC12 channels: USC, UCLA.
The current RSN's Fox Sports West and Prime Ticket will still show games that have conflicting time slots. Ducks, Kings and Clippers play roughly in the same season period, and at least through 2013 the Angels and Dodgers will play along side each other, and they also still show MLS Soccer, which plays in summer just like baseball.
On top of that, Fox still shows the lesser collegiate leagues, such as Fullerton and UCI baseball, as well as some high schools in the region.
They would definitely lose the USC and UCLA coverage to PAC12, and of course they are losing the Lakers to Time Warner, along with the Chivas USA MLS.
The Fox Sports channels were actually jam-packed, and sold all the conflict schedules off to local channels KCAL9 (Lakers, Dodgers) and KDOC (Ducks) so THREE major league games could be shown at the same time.
In the new situation, all "broadcast rights owning groups" will have enough content to fill the channels.
Also, Prime Ticket shows in San Diego as a local RSN while Fox Sports West does not. NBA and NHL are usually put there, as San Diego doesn't have either and falls under the Kings/Ducks/Clippers/Lakers DMA.
We'll see how things play out, but I believe DirecTV is going to have to use up a lot of bandwidth for all this sports.
Up here in Oregon we have two RSN's (ROOT and Comcast Sports Northwest (not on DirecTV)) with limited programming.
For the Pro Teams
We have the Blazers (on CSN-NW) and the Mariners (Root)
We have the Beavers, WSU, UofW (Root) and the Ducks (CSN-NW)
With the Pac12 Network it becomes idiotic.
Blazers - CSN-NW
Mariners - Root
Colleges - Pac12 and Pac 12 Regional?
So now we will have 3 Part Time channels (Root, CSN-NW, Pac12 Regional) a
and 1 full time Pac 12?
This is gonna be crazy!
College - Pac12 + Pac12 Regional
Well, that's Directv's problem to figure out. Michael White, Directv CEO gets big bucks. Time for him to start earning it rather than simply be an incompetent mouthpiece.
No doubt Directv has challenges - not unlike any other business in America.
It's Michael White's problem. If he fails to carry the Pac 12 network then he will lose many of his west coast customers, period. He'll do fine back east, but on the west coast he's got to provide access to the channel, someway or somehow. But again, that's why he gets the big bucks and it's time for him to start earning it.
Yes, and recall that Root Sports is owned by Directv!
I think because Root is a part time channel now that we should get some kick back on the rates for this....think we'll see that? Fat chance
Maybe but if the channel was with X with the Lakers and the Lakers are not there anymore at all, don't you think some rate reduction should take place? That's common sense, although we know that will not happen.
it's not about cost. It's about bandwidth. Maybe down the road FSN / FS out there can be down sized to 1 main feed + some alt's / sub feeds.
Didn't say there wasn't enough content to cover more than one channel. Said that the overall rates per customer should decrease to the providers if the Lakers are missing.
Say that they are paying 90 cents per subscriber per month WITH the Lakers. Lakers leave, so what is the channel worth now? It's got to be less than that 90 cents.
I am very certain that D* will carry the main Pac-12 Network. But I couldn't fathom the disdain for not carrying the regionals on a full time basis.
If the intention all along is to carry live games then I suspect possibly two channels will be added then interwoven with the Big Ten alternate feeds since the time zone factor between the conferences will lead to more efficient use of D*s bandwidth by virtue of the Pac-12 games having later start times.
I understand that there are good intentions of the regional networks regarding educational and research programming, but that model is more appropriate for cable since by and large public interest programming is often a condition for cable companies to operate in their respective areas. That is not necessarily the case for D*.
I don't know how this will pan out on Cable, but if one could only receive one regional channel in addition to the main channel, that wouldn't sit well for the displaced alumnus. Suppose a UCLA or USC alum lives in Washington State and Pac-12 Southern California is not available, if D* manages to get all live games from the Pac-12 then they would still make out favorably.
Root currently isn't a part time channel, but it will be after all their teams are gone.
Yes it is. This channel has the Mariners and what else? Some Gonzaga baskketball. Some soccer.
Used to have Pac 10/12 sports, Portland Trail Blazers, Seattle Supersonics.....
Now has baseball and is adding some Big Sky sports this fall to fill the void.
If having the Mariners by themselves plus a few other events is full-time then I guess it's full-time. But you have to admit a HUGE drop in air time with these losses....
Hate to say this to you, but that not gonna happen anytime soon. Root Sports Pittsburgh has the Pens lock up until 2028-2029 season. So the chances of Root Sports being a part time channel will never happen for a very long time.