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Discussion in 'DIRECTV Programming' started by sticketfan, May 18, 2012.

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  1. Aug 22, 2012 #861 of 1671
    maartena

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    It is called MAJOR league soccer, and it due to the high amount of Mexicans in this area, it is a very popular sport. Both teams use a dedicated-to-soccer stadium that is often filled up.

    Maybe soccer isn't popular in Maryland... but around here, you bet it is.
     
  2. Aug 22, 2012 #862 of 1671
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    Granted, I do not watch NFL. I know that games on the NFL Network are never blacked out, in addition to the games shown on local networks.

    I have been told this by a colleague who watches NFL.... who is making the argument of NOT having a NFL team in Los Angeles, as then they would black out certain games on networks like NFL Network.

    I also don't know the exact rules of NFL blackouts, so I could be wrong. Just repeating what I was told. :)
     
  3. Aug 22, 2012 #863 of 1671
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    Regardless of the topic, this is one of the most dangerous statements a man can make. :D :D
     
  4. Aug 22, 2012 #864 of 1671
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    So you understood my point? I repeated something I was told.. You proved me wrong.. haha..
     
  5. Aug 22, 2012 #865 of 1671
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    Point taken. :D

    I still believe it should be called Handegg too.

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  6. Aug 22, 2012 #866 of 1671
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    Not minimizing. Pointing out that it is just not that unique when it comes to sports offerings. Look beyond your own local area. Not bragging or anything. Just realize that things are not always what they seem.

    And yes, I want the PAC 12 sports. I still think they are overstepping with 7 channels but I still want the channels as much as makes sense.
     
  7. Aug 22, 2012 #867 of 1671
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    Couldn't agree more..
     
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    Only home games that are not sellouts are blacked out on any nfl outlet. No others ever are. Three games from CBS/Fox on Sunday plus 1 from NBC. Espn has Monday and the nfl network Thursday. Same for everyone.
     
  9. Aug 22, 2012 #869 of 1671
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    I think it's a bit too many as well.. The model should be what I hope Directv does. Offer all Regional channels and no need for national.
     
  10. Aug 22, 2012 #870 of 1671
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    I was taking about the south. That is where the person was talking about. The north east has many places that are similar.
     
  11. Aug 22, 2012 #871 of 1671
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    This doesn't diminish, but http://about.usc.edu/facts/
     
  12. Aug 22, 2012 #872 of 1671
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    Okay. I see where you are coming from.
     
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    JoeTheDragon:

    I have no doubt whatsoever that eyeballs in the classic Pac 12 footprint the deal will be the same and probably for the national channel outside the footprint. And this is all consumer households.

    Where it will deviate, however, in my opinion, to give Directv a leg up in it's final deal, is how the deal works for those customers out of market getting the regional channels and how the deal works for commercial customers (heck about 85% or so of sports bars and other dining establishments have Direct), so here where there is no significant cable alternative on a large basis Directv can really cut a profitable deal.

    The Pac 12 will want its channels - and the regionals - in all the sports bars in the country, so there is where the Pac 12 can give (and make up some) for the same deal elsewhere.

    Pac 12 can also give Directv the ability to make some decent money on either an ala carte model or in sportspack with the regionals to any customer in the nation outside the footprint that wants to pay extra for the channels. Heck, even if Direct charged $2 a channel for each RSN outside the footprint this could be a huge moneymaker for Directv if it can keep the cost of the channel low enough, which I think it can. What cable competitor will show the Oregon regional in Boston, for example.

    But in the end Directv has to want to play as well and they've got bigger stakes in the game with everyone wanting an increase in fees and new channels wanting big fees.....if they give it too easily to Pac 12 then they won't use the whole thing as leverage elsewhere.....but it is a fine line because they are slowly pissing off their customers with no certainty of the channels between now and next Thurs and next weekend. I know 4 people already that pulled Directv off and went to Comcast. They aren't playing the game anymore. I am holding out hope that with Directv I will do better with all of the Pac 12 regionals, not just the local regional. But time will tell.



     
  14. Aug 22, 2012 #874 of 1671
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    I won't be surprised if it is game only for football and basketball regionally with national at least to start. Prove the value and they go for more. Or, as you say, regionals and out out if market in sports pack.

    I'm following this closely because it is a different model with lots of new things.
     
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    I think this is very important. Over the course of this topic I have seen many things mentioned.... But what if we do spot beams? What about just the national network? What if we do SD on the regionals? People seem afraid of 7 HD spots for sports, that could possibly be used for non-sports programming they might want more. (Or: other sports programming).

    Although PAC12 still needs to prove itself, the outlook is a winner. This is a smart business decision for DirecTV, it will retain Sports Bars in the PAC12 area as their customers, (who could decide to go hybrid, and only use DirecTV for the OOM Sports packs) and it will probably lure (depending on how it is set up) customers to the Sports Pack nationwide as well.

    Sports Bars has always been my main reason why I believe the networks will be carried in HD by DirecTV.

    And I also believe that these 7 channels would be a bigger generator of money (and most definitely a bigger retainer of customers) that any other 7 non-sports channels. So it would be a smart business decision to use bandwidth for these channels.
     
  16. Aug 22, 2012 #876 of 1671
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    Ok.. Wife just pulled up REAL Alumni numbers, not from their web sites that blow their numbers up.. These are both Undergrad and Grad.

    These are reporting to Aid of Education, per living Alumni

    AZ STATE 489,711

    UCLA 388,855

    USC 232,441 (Also USC=University of 2nd Choice.... Stanford--- Per Tiger Woods)

    UC Berkley 430,933

    Still doesn't diminish the importance of BIG LA, but sometimes schools will over or under-report to say what they want them to say.. IE, stats classes prove this point..
    And also, I might be going out on a limb, but I might argue that if these numbers are both Undergrad and Grad, the typical fan of a team usually is more supportive of their Undergrad school and not really where they received a doctorate. Also, sometimes a school will count Alumni as someone who has attended, not always someone with a degree. It's crazy, but the original point is that LA is of course a strong Market. No Disputes from me.
     
  17. Aug 22, 2012 #877 of 1671
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    There is probably six markets that are similar to la. That's not many considering how many sports teams there are overall. And all six have unique challenges within themselves too.
     
  18. Aug 22, 2012 #878 of 1671
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    Why all 7 since one is a dupe?
     
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    I'm just asking, but is the 7th a Duplicate? Is it supposed to be like the Big 10 channel?
     
  20. Aug 22, 2012 #880 of 1671
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    Yeah I suppose you can get away with 6 and have everything.

    Unless they are planning to put the National in a Choice package, it is a useless channel indeed. Only makes sense in the cable setup.

    6 would work perfectly too:

    - PAC12 market areas get their 1 local.
    - The rest in Sports Pack. (And everything in Sports Pack for out of market).

    The only thing that might be a sticking point is if PAC12 wants the national network to be available to the same package level as the Big Ten Network.... in which case, there may be no choice to run the National network as well.
     
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