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Discussion in 'DIRECTV Programming' started by sticketfan, May 18, 2012.
This discussion has not referenced Root Sports Pittsburgh at all.
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Here is the best info on the Pac 12 channel I have found. We still have a few months before the channel does launch, i'd be surprised if DirecTv risked losing so many West Coast fans by not picking up at least the Nat'l channel and set up an overflow channel(s) like the B1G10 channel. Hopefully it all works out by the end of August and we can put the couple of threads regarding the Pac12 channel to bed!
From everything I have read most all of the games will be on the main channel, the local channels will have a few games and probably a lot of packaged shows dedicated to their local schools. One of the strengths of the Pac 12 in general is their reach beyond the big sports of FBall and BBall. They have strong waterpolo teams, swim teams, track teams etc so my guess is during the weekdays that will be filling out a lot of the main channels shows and quite possibly those will be part of the 300+ live events a year.
The Pac-12 Networks launch August 15, less than two months from today.
I am sure that is exactly what DirecTV wants and the Pac 12 guys are pushing for the full channels.
Yeah, cause the Big Ten does not have anywhere near as many sports as the Pac 12 (sarcasm off). BTN has trouble filling one channel full time and they have as much as the Pac 12 does. The Pac 12 is just full of itself.
Agreed. Pac 12 outdoor track is no where near as powerful as the SEC or Big 12. The Pac12 has 1 men's & 3 women's national titles in 22 years. The conference thinks they're great and they're not...
"In the modern Olympic era, Pac-12 athletes have amassed 1,092 medals, by far the most by any conference in the country. Put another way, if the Pac-12 was a sovereign nation it would rank fourth in the his-tory of Olympic achievement, trailing only the United States (2,549), the former Soviet Union (1,204) and Germany (1,099) in total medals."-article at http://www.pac-12.org/London/Tabid/...c-12-Celebrates-Success-In-Olympic-Games.aspx
That's great... There's a lot of Olympic events, particularly in sports with little to zero appeal outside the Olympics. The SEC pretty much dominates current track & field, and still no one even watches. The Pac12 Network won't change that.
That's true to a point, but take a step back and remember what the Pac 12's goal is beyond just the US market, they plan to market the channel to the Asia and Australia; sports like Swimming are HUGE there. The Pac 12 has schools with great history in those sports (USC, ASU, Cal, Stanford, UCLA), they also have the best waterpolo programs in the country, strong gymnastics, and other sports while maybe not the most popular to our viewing audience worldwide they are very popular.
Couple of things I would like to know....
1) has PAC12 actually secured any rights to local games?
2) How does Big Ten handle local games?
If Big Ten just lets the local RSNs broadcast most games, then there is no need for extra channels. Currently it is the same in the west (e.g. USC and UCLA games show on Fox Sports) but what if PAC12 already has the rights to all games (or isn't renewing the contract with RSNs) how would this play out? Can they still decide to sell rights to existing RSNs or will they see of they can force carriage of all channels by not doing so?
If the L.A. Market is losing access to USC football, which is almost as big as the NFL around here due to no NFL team, DirecTV might lose quite a few customers, especially since TWC has announced carriage of the PAC12 main network AND whatever extra local channel for USC and UCLA games.
Add to this the Lakers broadcast rights that went to the new TWC Sportsnet RSN...... This will be an interesting negotiation for DirecTV.
college football game rights are not like RSN rights and the road team can get shut out. Like what happened to WI game (played in Chicago) when there game got pushed to ESPN 3 and that time warner cable wisconsin channel that showed limited espn 3 stuff also was in an add on sports pack. That game was on any OTA channel or FSN or CSN. A Big team getting pushed on line only or cable only (limited area) ESPN could of put it on one of the alt channels.
now with pac12 how will it work out if say they show a game with a big ten team??? will the big ten network pick it up?? will CSN or FSN pick it up???
Will need to get the pac12 channel or the RSN pac12 channel out of market to see a game for a team in your area?
The BTN has rights to all home Big Ten football (and basketball) games not televised on ABC/ESPN. All BTN games are national. If more than one game they have rights to is broadcast at the same time, it is made available to all carriers in the form of overflow channels (which they now call 'extra game' channels).
DirecTV offers every one of those overflow feeds; some cable providers offer only the main BTN feed, some offer it with one or two overflow feeds, some offer it with all of them; it varies by location. One game is designated the 'national' feed available on the main channel, however cable operators inside the Big Ten footprint will show the local team on the main channel and the 'national' game on an overflow.
The PAC-12 Network owns the same rights to their football and basketball games as the BTN. Whatever the networks don't select (and the selection process varies by week), the PAC-12 Network gets. Games will no longer be shown on Fox Sports RSNs like in the past. The big difference between the PAC-12 Network and the BTN is that they chose not to go the 'overflow' route like the BTN, instead they are making their 'extra' games available on six different full-time local PAC-12 owned RSNs.
The big difference here is the BTN asks carriers to provide up to five part-time channels for roughly 4 hours each Saturday in the fall; whereas the PAC-12 is asking (at least publicly) for DirecTV and others to carry their main network AND their six other full-time RSNs in order for fans to have access to all the games.
In other words, the BTN understands the business.
All college football (and probably all) are assigned to the home team. So if the game is at a big ten site, it goes to the big ten contracts (espn, abc, BTN). If at a PAC 12 site, then the PAC 12 contracts come into play.
A couple thoughts:
Pac - 12 needs:
As wide as distribution as possible. Directv brings approx 20M plus customers.
For advertisers Directv customers are more likely to watch sports (than others); many have Directv simply for the sports (ala Sunday Ticket)
Distribution in bars and restaurants across America and the world.
Directv gives anyone in the USA potential access.
Pac-12 because a LOT of folks will drop on western states if they don't.
Needs to differentiate it's product from cable to attract MORE customers. This means all 7 channels full-time. This will attract customers. West coast graduates living all over the place will sign up for Directv if it is the only product in their market that carries the channel.
What will happen to Sunday Ticket if Pac 12 not carried? Many of these folks want both - they will need to choose. Surely come will choose Pac 12 over Sunday Ticket. That's a lost customer.
Directv doesn't NEED all 7 channels. They need GAMES of all teams. That will be enough to stand out.
And you overestimate the lure of the PAC 12. Without directv (and rsns), I would not have gotten a lot of PAC 12 football where I live on the East coast in the past.
They do need all the games indeed. But what if Pac12 says: Launch all channels or see your customers bleed to TWC who we already have in the bag!
Not sure where you are, but in the Los Angeles area losing USC games means losing customers and quite a lot of them. I personally don't watch college sports but know many who do.
Whether it is going to be 6 channels or some other way..... DirecTV is going to figure out some way to carry the games.
Directv does need all 7 channels. What about highlight shows? Pre-season shows? I used to get all this on FSN AZ via the sports pack.
Also, what about the other sports? That's the whole concept. It's not just about football. Football, baseball, basketball, soccer, gymnastics, track, etc. It's MORE than just football. Directv needs all 7 channels.
Let me ask this question. Every one of Directv's customers get internet access through someone else. Most probably are bundled with their phone bill.
So let's assume something - let's assume Directv gets Pac 12 Network on one channel and customers can watch the rest of the network via the authenticated internet.
So is it cheaper to stream the channels/content of the extra channels to potentially hundreds of thousands of customers individually, clogging up the bandwidth?
Or is it cheaper for Directv to simply carry all 7 channels and keep as many users off the bandwidth?
If Directv doesn't carry all 7 channels, but instead pushes it downstream, Century Link and other other DSL companies incur a cost. They have all sorts of marketing deals with each other. If one partner increases costs on another way out if proportion then the phone company may not be as willing to renew those marketing deals later. So it's a bigger issue.
I don't know how much it costs to stream to hundreds of thousands, but it seems like somewhere there is a cost to do so....
Do you not already know that it would make more sense just to carry all the games as opposed to allocating bandwidth to 7 channels on a 24/7 basis whereas in the best case scenario, live events are shown around 20-25% of the time?
By no means am I trying to belittle your desire, but there are at least a couple of threads on this board that discusses the bandwidth issue at length. I posted earlier on this thread that D* would be more efficient if they split the alternate channels with BTN due to the nature of later start times.