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Moving - Concerned About Coax Runs at New Place

Discussion in 'DIRECTV Installation/MDU Discussion' started by stflush, Nov 7, 2013.

  1. Nov 7, 2013 #1 of 20
    stflush

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    I'm moving next week, and my new place is a 21 year old home that currently has cable TV service. The basement is completely finished, and I cannot find a coax junction point (or central location) anywhere. There is one coax line that comes into the home in the basement right at the same location as the electrical panel. So my assumption is that there are probably splitters used throughout the walls and ceilings. I have 4 receivers to install, one in the basement, den, master bedroom, and garage. How will the installer address this? Will they just want to run all the cabling outside the home and through the brick into each room (which I would prefer not to do)? Or is there anything I can do to try and figure out what's going on with the wiring before they show up next Friday (I get possession Tuesday)? Any suggestions appreciated. Thanks.

    Matt
     
  2. Nov 8, 2013 #2 of 20
    litzdog911

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    Most likely the installer will not use your existing coax cables. Instead, the standard installation would provide new coax cables that wrap along the outside of your home, or are easily routed through attic or basement spaces. For an extra fee, they can fish new cables inside your walls. You'll want to discuss those options with the installer.
     
  3. Nov 8, 2013 #3 of 20
    inkahauts

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    If the wiring is good rg6 then they should at least give it a shot. Just because the house is 21 doesn't mean the cabling is. But you'll need to find the splitters. Hopefully the are all right behind the plates where the coax connections at the walls are. If so it could be done. If they are buried somewhere you can't get to them then it's an issue.
     
  4. Nov 8, 2013 #4 of 20
    gov

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    Hard to know if you have found all the splitters. Also, if homeowner installed, the quality of the crimps would be suspect. (I have seen people use pliers and smash the connectors flat!)

    I HATE seeing coax wrapped around a brick house. I HATE IT, HATE IT, HATE IT.



    FWIW, after the inevitable plumbing disaster upstairs that ruins the drywall ceilings in the basement, you can put in a drop ceiling and fix everything.
     
  5. Nov 8, 2013 #5 of 20
    studechip

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    Now that there is funny!
     
  6. Nov 8, 2013 #6 of 20
    stflush

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    Thanks for the comments. Guess I'll be pulling some wall plates and see what I can figure out. I really don't want to run it outside the house. I've been in my current house 10 years. I replaced a basement tongue and groove tile ceiling here (although not due to plumbing leaks lol), and between that and some den renovation work I've been able to get some pretty good/clean coax runs here. Hopefully I don't have to tear into anything at this new place to figure things out.
     
  7. Nov 8, 2013 #7 of 20
    gov

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    A lady I worked for asked about possibly doing a full up home theater in her fully drywalled basement. I laughed and said the bill for fixing the drywall damage I would have to do would be a deal killer.

    As I was packing up my tools, I said if she had a huge plumbing disaster, give me a call and I could do everything then!

    2 months later she called and said I got me wish.

    I was thunderstruck and asked what happened. She said they had a sewer back up and Service Master had just left after cleaning out all the poo, ripping out the carpets, and cutting ALL THE DRYWALL off, 3 feet up the walls!!!

    At that point she was OK about the disaster and had a good laugh, and she got her home theater.

    I have other water damage stories, but that one is my favorite.
     
  8. stflush

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    So I found a spot under the electrical panel where most of the coax joined together (it was hidden under some insulation). I've also identified which wires run to the locations I want to use except for the master bedroom. I believe there's one run up to the attic that is then split to each of the bedrooms, so my plan is to let the installer deal with that. I am a little concerned though because the wiring is RG-59. From what I've read I should be fine as long as the wiring from the switch to the dish is RG-6 (for a swm dish)? Is this going to be common knowledge for the installer, or am I going to potentially need to convince them it'll work?
     
  9. peds48

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    Probably the latter...
     
  10. stflush

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    Well the install was a no go. The guy refused to use RG59, called his supervisor after I said I'd read it would work, and the supervisor said it was directv policy that they couldn't use it. I called to cancel, and they offered to send a second "advanced" technician for a second opinion who's coming tomorrow. Not feeling confident that my 13 year run with directv will continue.
     
  11. peds48

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    That is to be expected....
     
  12. stflush

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    So I'm wasting my time and should start looking at other options?
     
  13. studechip

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    You said you don't want runs outside the house, but that is an option. Another would be for you to replace the RG59 with RG6 yourself. It may be a pain, but probably cheaper than paying him to do it, since it wouldn't be part of a standard installation.
     
  14. stflush

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    The RG59 is stapled or tacked down, so it can't be used to pull in new wiring. Looks like my options are either running wiring outside or running new RG6 inside which will involve cutting into some drywall. Directv (or at least the installers in my area) don't want to touch it. The second opinion guy spent 5 seconds at my house, saw the RG59, and said call an electrician or audio/video install company.
     
  15. longrider

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    There is your answer. If you were in the Denver area I would recommend a friend of mine who has his own business and does great work. However it certainly wont be free.
     
  16. slice1900

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    All you need is a dish on the roof, it shouldn't cost that much to pay someone to put that up and run a coax down to where it enters the home. He can also get everything conncted up, or you can take it from that point. If it works, great, if it doesn't you're only out the cost of getting a dish on the roof.

    I thought one of the reasons Directv went to SWM was to able to use existing wiring in a home? It is stupid that they have a policy of not even touching RG59. You'd think they'd have installers carry some sort of equipment to test the lines - generate a test signal at baseband, 500 MHz and 2 GHz on one end, check it on the other end, if the loss is too high then disqualify it.
     
  17. studechip

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    One way around cutting big holes in the drywall is to remove the baseboard, cut the drywall there, and replace the baseboard.
     
  18. peds48

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    That might work, but the customer might have to source the receivers from a 3rd party which won't get him the DirecTV discounts.
     
  19. peds48

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    Easier to have a "blanket" policy. A reputable tech won't deal with RG59 as if the job gets QC'ed, he will get back charged.
     
  20. gov

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    Good point.

    I have done that for speaker and phone too.

    I have cut (diamond saw blade) into cement basement floors and embedded wire there too. THAT IS NOT MUCH FUN. And it is extremely dirty work.


    I'd advise caution about assuming a given wall upstairs is aligned all that well with a wall in the basement that looks 'close' to being situated correctly. I have seen a homeowner run coax down the inside of closet, and think they are drilling through the floor and into a downstairs stud cavity for a TV hookup, and wind up marring the drywall ceiling they were trying to save.

    If basement has a separate unfinished area for the furnace and water heater, with a closet upstairs over it, you can run wire from rood dish install, through attic, down thru closet, and into basement utility room. then if your luck holds, you can get to a place with the coax where you could live with a TV installed.
     

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