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Discussion in 'The OT' started by smiddy, Dec 5, 2007.
I've been using a 40 GB Zen Touch for several years and really like it, mind you this is an audio-only player, no video. The touch interface is not as nice as the Ipod but Battery Life kicks the dog-poop out of my wife's IPods, and I've had to replace the batteries in her IPod (3rd Gen) which is about the same age as my Zen.
The biggest reason I went with the Zen though was a five-band equalizer, the IPod doesn't have one and I could never find a good "preset" for all 3 of the various headphones I use. I've never understood why Apple still doesn't include the Graphic E.Q. or some better way to adjust the tone to the listeners preference.
The new Zen has this too. I tend to saturate my music with color (so to speak) and I know I'd like that feature as well. Thanks for the input.
BTW, AirRocker...I like breaking the rules, just ask Mr. Shadow, he's on me about them all the time. I'm surprised he hasn't booted me yet. :lol:
Don't worry, smiddy, you're on safe ground.
The Shadow seems like a pretty nice/tolerant guy.... I'm thinkin it would take more than that for him to boot ya...
Ya know, most of his post are down to earth and well thought out. But wait until you get a PM from him for breaking the rules. All I can say is...well...nothing. I can't say anything...you are correct. He keeps his cool in those situations too.
I'm just having a go at ya, as I expect you already know. :lol:
I don't see you as a rulebreaker smiddy... i must have misjudged you...
Don't worry, you didn't misjudge old smidd one bit. He and I joke a bit but he knows he's becoming a pillar of this site.
Nope I've never used a Mac, never want to. Don't care about the platform or the products. I'm 22, I've been using Windows machines since I was 9, change is bad. Buying an iPod is the closest thing I'll come to it. I felt so dirty when I swiped my credit card at Best Buy a few years ago when I got my iPod. I don't care for Apples sheep of followers, I don't care for their mentality about Bill Gates. Hello! The guy is the richest man on the planet, you don't get that way by playing Mr. Nice Guy. And lastly I don't care for Apples advertising. Ads are supposed to intise and sell you on products. Well the 'I'm A Mac, I'm A PC' ads sold me on a new HP Windows Vista machine that I'll probably be ordering this weekend or next weekend. That's $2500-$3000 of my money that Apple won't be seeing. If your product is truly the best, tell me why it's the best, not why the competition sucks. To me that just shows that Apple doesn't believe in their own products, so I don't believe in them either.
And lastly Macnuts (I have a worse name for them) always talk about how controlling and monopolistic Microsoft is, when in reality Apple is no better and perhapses worse then Microsoft. I also detest Apples turning computers and other electronics into fashion statements. Whether it was the colored iMacs or selling the iPod to everyone under the age of 30, not because it's good, but because it's trendy. I honestly do think the iPod is the best MP3 player out there and that's why I bought it and why I'm going to buy the new 6 gen 80GB iPod Classic, and it seems I'm the only one who bought it for that reason. Everyone else on the planet bought one because 'my friend has it and I want to be cool'.
I like my iPod (although it's 4th gen, no video), and have grown accustomed to how iTunes works. With your vast collection of lossless music, I think if you can get past WMP criteria, you should strongly consider the 160GB iPod classic.
iTunes can convert all those music you have to apple lossless, and you can cram them all in the iPod with room to spare in case you somehow get into videos in the future. BTW, when you convert your own, it's not protected with DRM.
You have an option to either tell iTunes to look at where you save your music, or to organize your music for you (file structure/location on hard drive). I chose the latter. It basically organizes them as Artist > Album > Song. Whenever I edit any tags, they get moved around automatically.
Ability to fetch missing album art.
You may create dynamic playlists, like, xxx = songs that are rock and has more than 4 star rating.
You can create on-the-go playlists from the iPod, then once you sync it to iTunes, you can rename the playlist to something more appropriate.
If a song is not sold in iTunes, there is no album art for you (Beatles, AC/DC). You have to get them somewhere else and "add" them to your song tags.
If you purchase a song from iTunes, you can never get lossless, and besides EMI stuff, you're stuck with DRM. You may circumvent it but that's not the point.
With that being said, this is my first digital player, so I have zero experience on other formats. I hope this helps in your decision.
OK.. I know that the popular theme these days is Microsoft Bashing, but I am not one of those.
I purchased a 30GB Zune when they came out last year. I can only say that I am extremely pleased with it.
I too, store music in WMA lossless format which makes for very large song files (20+MB), so I appreciate the 30GB size. My only issue with the Zune, and this has been my issue with every player I have ever owned... the supplied headphones are usually trashy.
I purchased a set of Shure E3C headphones several years ago, and they are superb.
So the list of things I like about the Zune:
1. Battery Life excellent
2. construction of unit.. excellent, strong materials good scratch resistance.
3. Color Screen: best I have seen on any unit, both size and resolution
4. Storage capacity at 30GB: good
5. Zune PC software: good, version2; better in some ways
6. Microsoft has so far given all of the features of the new Zune's to the old models.
7. Wireless Sync
There is virtually nothing on the con side.
I like the fact that, when Microsft came out with the second generation of Zune models, they provided upgrade software that brought the first generation up to the same level as the new generation.
The Zune PC software to me is as much of a problem as iTunes. I don't like the propreitary format. I manage my library in WMP11 and use the Zune software to syncronize.
Another part of my choice is the way in which I purchase music. I refuse to buy a pig in a poke with music, it is too expensive. Today's CD's contain 2 or 3 good songs and the rest is generally nothing but filler. I pay Zune marketplace their monthly subscription fee so I can download the music and check it out before adding to my CD library. I find this useful and it keeps me from being disappointed by Album content
My only regret is that their is now an 80GB Zune.
Thanks Larry. Initially I was leaning towards the Zune, because I was thinking that it would interface with WMP 11, but had heard later that its own software was used. And that it was problematic. However, I didn't know you could snchronize with it, thanks for the information.
Thanks airpolgas :: POL, no way! I had friends you yanked hoses on A10s...you dudes (dudettes) work your tails off, good on ya! I was unaware of the 160 GB...humm. This forces me to do some more research, thanks. I am not opposed to converting, it is just that I've invested a lot of time already...
Mr Shadow, you are too kind. You do make me blush, I must say. I love it here, to say the least. I only hope to one day be as much a pillar as you.
AirRocker, I gist, I like it here so much I don't wish to rock-the-boat ever. I try to be an upstanding member of this community, as best I can.
no worries smiddy... i have no doubt that everyone on here that knows you believes that you are... you are definitely one of my favorites as well...
Thanks! Those two sentences answered my question. That's the attitude (of which you're entitled) that I've found in almost all people who "hate" Macs. They hate because they don't know and have never tried one. So I personally typically disregard those kinds of opinions...but it's cool, Steve. I actually didn't mean to start a Mac vs. PC thing...just my own personal survey, I guess.
For the record, I too use Macs and PCs daily. As an IT guy, I have to use a PC for most server tasks. I just happen to prefer the Mac OS in virtually every thinkable way...and yet I still utilize my PC for tasks that just aren't as native on a Mac.
Anyway, as to mp3 players...sorry for the partial threadjack...
I've used several different mp3 players. From the Creative Zen, to an old iRock! mp3 player, to the 4G, 5G, and iPod nano 1G iPods (used iPods on both PCs and Macs). I've even tried a Zune, though only for a few hours. I've merely fiddled around with a few SanDisk mp3 players, but found their capacity very lacking.I haven't owned every single one of those, but I have used each of them extensively (save the Zune) for more than 3 months.
If you like to pay $15 or more per month to "rent" music, or simply like the Rhapsody interface, then a Zen is probably the best way for you to go. The "Zune Marketplace" and Rhapsody are what they are...music rental portals that some people really like; you don't own the music on your mp3 player, you merely RENT them. Sure, you can buy albums/tracks, but you have to pay above & beyond your monthly "subscription fee."
The aforementioned stores are pretty well organized, except for the Zune Marketplace. It's not all that great, IMHO. Reminds me too much of "Urge," and its utter failures. Napster is the same way...I used it for over a year...and didn't care for its layout or search or organization. If you want to fill your non-iPod (or even your iPod) with non-subscription music, then the Amazon mp3 store is the goods. I think it might even provide a better online music buying experience than iTunes. Which leads me to the iPod...
I prefer to OWN my music. I don't want to pay monthly for something I don't get to keep. It's like paying rent...nothing to show for it at the end of the paying period (I rented apartments for YEARS...glad to be out of that market now). So I use iTunes, and currently own a 4G mono iPod (U2 version), a white 5G iPod + video, and an iPhone for work.
iTunes offers, for me my money, the easiest way to purchase & organize my music in an intuitive and very user-friendly way. It depends on your psyche; some friends *HATE* iTunes and the way it organizes their music; I prefer it exclusively. As for the iPod player, I don't really personally care about "open platforms." I do "get" why some like that kind of "add my own apps/preferences" open source-type opportunity, but I don't care. Much like using Mac OSX, I just want it to work. And the way the iPod is layed out, from the menus to selection to choices to preferences, it offers for me a more logical & better UI than any of the SanDisk, Creative, or other mp3 players I've used extensively.
I made a lot of mention of the stores associated with mp3 players, since unless you're still a big CD purchaser, you'll be experiencing online buying (or "rentals"). Amazon's mp3 Store isn't laid out the best, but its DRM-free music and the price can't be beat. For very competitive prices and its organizational pluses, iTunes is tops.
Just my opinions...sorry again for the partial threadjack! :nono: