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MPEG-4 Receivers-When? Beta yet?

Discussion in 'General DISH™ Discussion' started by Raymond Simonian, Apr 22, 2005.

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  1. jsanders

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    Good point SimpleSimon, and, no offense, but I just can't resist this one..... !rolling

    Florissant, Colorado
    Population: 3,555
    Land Area: 133.18 miles
    Here is an arial photo, you have to look closely to see the town....
    http://www.terraserver.microsoft.com/image.aspx?t=1&s=14&x=148&y=1347&z=13&w=1&qs=|Florissant|CO|


    And, to top it off, Paco Bell, a donkey is serving his second term as Mayor of the town!

    It may not be a cow town, but there doesn't seem to be a reason you can't call it a donkey town.
     
  2. SimpleSimon

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    Agreed. And of course, the reason E* is where it's at - especially with the lousy equipment - is because of a greedy man at the top.

    I wish he would realize he can make a buck without screwing people.

    It's like my boss vs. MOST retailers. I get about 50% higher pay than they do. This means I can afford to take the time to do the job right! I only wish I had more installs and less PCs. :cool:

    It's amazing and sad that a semi-skilled job like DBS installation pays so much more than a highly-skilled job like PC disinfection (when done right).
     
  3. James Long

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    Or at least not what you want. The internationals are side slot (old) and SuperDish121 (new) - mostly out of the way. HDs need to be central. Thats on 110 or 105 (or even 129 :D ). No second dish and bandwidth waste by duplication for national HD.

    What do Americans want? 108 million households want TV in their house. Yes, there are a couple MILLION households without a TV, even in 2005. (50 times more households have no TV than have Voom HD service. :grin: )

    Last March (2004) 1.5 million households had HD service. Now (March 2005) that number is up to 4 million US households. Obviously the American household is beginning to desire HD ... but 96+% of US TV Households don't have the sets to view the HD you apparently desire.

    HD is growing. This time next year there will be more HD households to serve ... and more HD content to be served. Right now (statistically) the primary source of HD is local broadcasters. Satellite will catch up.

    Internationals probably don't appeal to a high number of households ... but they are cheap to carry for such a good return. 3 HDs today kills 12 internationals (or other channels). And no one here wants to pay $5-10 each for HD channels. :)

    JL
     
  4. BFG

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    Ouch bringing the man's town into the discussion :)

    So where's you're house at Simon?
     
  5. JohnGfun

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    How can I become a Beta Tester? If I even can?
     
  6. rcbridge

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    From my experience many times the BETA testers are employees ( and there friends) of the company making or marketing the new gear. I have been a BETA tester for products from my company. (non satellite related).
     
  7. Bob Haller

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    Anyone with high def will want a DVR.

    They shouldnt even bother building a non DVR model, just give everyone a FREE month of DVR service then turn it off if they dont pay the fee.

    Fewer boxes is better....
     
  8. SimpleSimon

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    :D Well - remember, we're NOT a DMA - we're stuck with the idiots in Colorado Springs (KRDO SUCKS). I'd be HAPPY to NOT be in ANY DMA. ;)

    I hit the terraserver link, and believe it or not, my house is almost exactly dead center. Zoom in 1, north 1, in 1, north 1, east 1, in 1, north 1, in 1, north 1, east 1. I'm on the SE corner of the "T" intersection. It appears that my place was just under construction (1996-7) when that pic was shot.

    As you can see, I live in a high-density subdivision. :) I mean, if I look hard in the right direction, I can actually see another house. ;)

    And when people talk about LOS issues, my dishes are at the north end of the house so I can shoot over the trees (148 is shooting through a gap). When I go after 61.5, almost exactly SE, I'll have to hit a hole straight through 200 yds of trees because it's uphill in that direction. Some installers have to deal with buildings - we have to deal with granite. :D

    And yes - there ARE a few @$$es in this town - but not as many as in any city. :)

    The actual (unincorporated) town is an intersection a little fingernail above the center south border in the initial link. A dozen or so buildings is all. The 133 sq. mi. & 3K people is the area the post office serves. I used to say it said "Welcome to Florissant" on both sides of the sign, but then they actually put up signs - they're about a half-mile apart. :)
     
  9. normang

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    I don't disagree Simon, however I don't have enough data to say one way or another whether remaining DMA's that Dish does not serve would provide enough possible subs to justify the expense of the transponders needed to service it. You may be correct that some markets just aren't worth it, and I would think that Dish knows which one's they are and somewhere along the line, we'll see the end of that expansion, or some sort of overall consolidation of what really comprises a DMA at some other level if I had to guess.. maybe not..
     
  10. James Long

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    If you are in one of 157 DMAs E* has enough DMAs covered. If you are in the other 53 DMAs E* could use one more ... :)

    JL
     
  11. larrystotler

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    What's really idiotic is some of the small DMAs. Look at 181, Harrisonburg, VA. It has 2 channels: ABC 3 WHSV and PBS 51 WVPT. It would make more sense to allow these people access to either the Charlottesville, VA, Roanoke, VA, or Washington, DC locals. It would be pretty pointless to offer JUST those 2 channels. Also, look at the DC locals. It is listed as Washington, DC/Hagerstown, MD locals. However, neither sat company has NBC 25 WHAG in their locals lineup, nor do they have PBS(like) 31 MPT. I get WHSV and WHAG on Adelphia cable in my area. I also get 3 Baltimore, MD stations on Adelphia.
     
  12. James Long

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    Blame congress. They are the ones that set the rules and the DMAs. The best news is that once those two channel (or less) DMAs are added, the other channels can come in under SHVERA - congress' newest set of rules. Adding the remaining 53 DMAs is the next step in the process.

    JL
     
  13. larrystotler

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    While I am sure that E* enjoys an advantage in having 27 more DMAs than D*, it would make more sense in the long run for them to set aside part of 1 location and share the signals for the locals. This has been tossed around before, and the odds are about nill, but it would free up transponder space for them. Heck, you could even set up a stand alone company that could resell the locals to D*, E* or even the cable companies...........
     
  14. James Long

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    E* and D* wanted to do that as part of their merger, which was rejected by the FCC. The issue today (other than getting FCC permission) would be that E* and D* encrypt differently. One of them would have to accept the other's encryption and encoding for both of them to share signals.

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  15. datwell

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    Mark or anyone who knows the answer: - What will the 129 be used for? I presently have a Dish 500 + a 61.5 dish. Will I need 129 to get all of the new Hd stuff or what? I am in the Washington, DC area.

    da doug
     
  16. Mark Lamutt

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    We don't have any confirmed information on that yet, Doug.
     
  17. BFG

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    Mark any comment about the 4 HD channels on 148-TP31? Is that MPEG2 or 4?
     
  18. Mark Lamutt

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    I know just about as much about them as you do, BFG. So, nope...no comment from me. I would guess that the timing's about right for a few test MPEG4 channels to start showing up, though.
     
  19. LASooner

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    Ya know, they should be able to fit more HD on the same size hard drive once MPEG 4 shows up, and with hard drive prices constantly dropping, hopefully they'll have a lot more HD space than 25 hours on the MPeg4 boxes.
     
  20. larrystotler

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    Since the 129 us a Canadian slot, the idea is to use it for Locals like D* is doing with the 72.5. They have only applied for 1 millions subscribers on that location, so they maye be getting ready to do a local channel shuffle. They could move some of the split locals off the 148 to the 129 to consolidate them and either repoint the 148, or replace it with the new dish design being rumored. Technically, so long as all your locals are on the 129, they can reuse the existing 148 dish, and do not have to replace the D500 wthe the new D750( :D )
     
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