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MPEG-4 Receivers-When? Beta yet?

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#1 ·
Doesn't it take at least a year of Beta testing to get a receiver ready for the public? I just can't see how Dish's expectation of a Fall start for MPEG-4 HD channels can be done. Not only does the receiver and hopefully the DVR be ready but there are a multitude of receivers that have to be put in place.

Is anyone aware of any that are being Beta tested. Are there any model numbers or pictures avalable?
 
#52 ·
rocatman said:
In regards to E-10, do you think it will really be that hard to move locals from the wings to a spotbeam on E-10 at 110 W?
I don't. We still have not seen full specs on E10, but 45 spots or 45 spot transponders there is a lot of capacity there to be tapped.

JL
 
#53 ·
justalurker said:
E* pushed the limits by splitting markets between main and side slots. The NAB and Congress liked their interpretation so much that they wrote a law to block that practice. I hope E* doesn't push the envelope again. Even a customer with bad line of sight to see 129 will be a problem if E* splits locals between satellites. Complaints will abound from the "2nd class stations".

Entire markets NEED to be at the same orbital slot to avoid problems.

JL
I agree with you about entire markets being at one orbital slot and I think Dish will do that as long as E-10 is successfully launched and operates as planned. Dish may be forced to push the envelope if something goes wrong with E-10.
 
#55 ·
rocatman said:
IIRC the agreement with the Canadian government require that the E-5 satellite be in place at 129 W by sometime in August 2005 and as long as the E-5 satellite has enough fuel which is extremely likely, the FCC almost has to approve it since they allowed DirecTV to use the 72.5 W Canadian slot. The one million subs is just a number that can be increased at anytime depending on need. In addition, E-5 is not a spotbeam satellite and Dish is only guaranteed 16 TPs (although I would expect them to get most of the 32 TP capacity) so not very many markets for HD locals could be provided from 129 W anyway even with MPEG-4 at 6 - 9 HD channels per TP. In regards to E-10, do you think it will really be that hard to move locals from the wings to a spotbeam on E-10 at 110 W?
Also keep in mind that the only reason D* has any advantage right now is because News Corp scrapped the planned SpaceWay Hi Speed Internet system. HD/Digital Locals will require sats with a lot of spots, which is how the SpaceWay sats were designed. And, since the SpaceWay sats actually have the ability to receive signals, I would expect D* to come out with a dish that will allow you to transmit to the sat that you want a video on demand. I haven't heard anything about it, but the ability is there. Since E-5 is not a spot beam sat, I forsee that it will end up being used for new locals while E10 is used to tackle the new requirements. Also, the 129 is a horrible slot of the east coast. It was idiotic for them to have used that slot for the locals. The 129 is about 22 degrees in my area. I have enough problems getting the 119 at 28 degrees for the D500 and D* Phase III dishes. This is a mountainous area with lots of trees. E* should use the 129/148 from the Mississippi west for locals, and the 61.5/110 for the east. And remember, the ONLY reason the 105 has locals is because it was a failure for HD due to AMC2's problems. There were NO plans to have locals on that sat when they were preparing to use it. It was for ConUS HD only. When that failed, they have to do something with the equipment, and locals was the only answer. They've irritated many subs with the low sig stregnth, but the FSS sat is less likely to go out in rain/clouds. E* would have lost out big time if they had used it as planned. I figure their long range plan includes moving the international subs to the E-9/121 location through attrition and having the dishes changed out. They are such a small percentage that using it for that purpose is ideal. The 105 is an open question, as are the 83/85 and the other FSS slots. I've said before that the 148/157 combo would be a boon for west coast subs, and just mirror the 110/119 on it with the extra 14 trans used for locals. Even a 129/148/157 dish could be possible.
 
#56 ·
Jacob S said:
Yes, it would be a huge cost for Dish Network to swap out all of those larger SuperDishes for smaller ones. Most likely Dish Network would make the SuperDish usable for additional slots which would require another lnbf kit to be placed on the SuperDish.
It's not an easy addon. They are having enough problems with the designs as it is. At least the StarBand dishes have spacers for the E* addon kit in some parts of the country to compensate for the spread. DirecWays's SatMex 5 setup using the 116.9 still only have the 101/110/119.
 
#57 ·
I would think of a SuperDish for 110/119/129 using the standard reflector and a more DirecTV like head instead of the 105 or 121 FSS head.

I have a 105 SuperDish and couldn't imaging a second outrigger even further out from center to get 105/110/119/129. But a 110/119/121/129 superdish wouldn't be too bad. The 119 outrigger off of my SuperDish would fit nicely on a SuperDish121 and probably be just right for 129.

But I do believe that E*'s tripple dish will be the two existing SuperDishes and a new SuperDish with three DBS LNBs.

JL
 
#59 ·
Mark Lamutt said:
It's not going to be called a superdish. :)
That would be confusing. People would expect a Superdish 129 to be FSS like SuperDish 105 and SuperDish 121.

It would have been more telling if they would have removed 129 from the point dish screen and then put it back. But it is always nice to see more bandwidth.

JL
 
#60 ·
justalurker said:
That would be confusing. People would expect a Superdish 129 to be FSS like SuperDish 105 and SuperDish 121.
It would have been more telling if they would have removed 129 from the point dish screen and then put it back. But it is always nice to see more bandwidth.
Actually, they did remove the 129 on some receivers for a while. But it showed back up a little while later. I expect that E* will probably come out with an 18x24" dish like the original D* plus dish. Since they were made by channel master, they could have CM modify the W bracket for their D-Shaped LNBs, and use a DP+Twin with a DP Dual and just connect the DP Dual right into the DP+Twin right there, That would be the fastest and easiest way to get the thing to market.
 
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