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NAB says it's time to stop selling distant signals

Discussion in 'General DISH™ Discussion' started by FTA Michael, Feb 13, 2013.

  1. Geronimo

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    There were actually several reference in the report I mentioned earlier (and others) indicating that the NAB has no problem with superstations. I used that particular quote because it was the most direct one I saw.

    I am not predicting what will happen with the supers when the statutory authorization expires. I was simply stating that the OP was incorrect when he said the NAB was discussing that authority (Same legislation, differnt authority)


    There is actually a lot less pressure for ending the supers than distant nets because any local station can already get a blackout of any programming that causes syndex problems and this generally results in a blkackout of the whole station.

    I will say again though that people continually predict the end of the superstations based on penetration rates of the Wb, the digital transition or other factors. We just need to be careful that the evidence cited really applies to the situation.
     
  2. david_jr

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    Add me to the list of those that would like to see the law changed for orphan counties (like mine) being able to be offered at least one in state local station. Wasn't Vermont the only state that got this exception the last time around? Our county is essentially in the same situation as Vermont with all out of state locals for a DMA and no in state anything even offered (at least on DISH). And in a lot of our county (my town included) there is no cable tv access available. Most of the Cablecos in this county, I believe, offer some in state local channels.
     
  3. joshjr

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    I feel your pain. I am very lucky now. DirecTV offers my DMA locals (all big 4) and then also offers us to significantly viewed stations that are in state (CBS & ABC). I am working with FOX from instate as well as they are considered significantly viewed and I want them as well.

    A call to the FCC yesterday informed me that the one affiliate in state out of DMA for me (NBC) can become significantly viewed if they ask for it and meet the criteria. I think I will be calling their GM today to let him know we want their signal here and ask if they would be interested in applying for a significantly viewed status from the FCC. It cant hurt anyway.

    I recommend you going to the FCC website and looking to see what stations out of DMA are considered significantly viewed for your area and contacting that stations GM to let them know you are very interested in getting their signal. There are a few upsides to them. They get their signal in a DMA that is not theirs, they are not required to blackout duplicate programming as the law states significantly viewed stations are not subject to blackout restrictions and possible more revenue. I called all of mine and 2 out of the 3 possible today are on for me. I am working on #3 and will now start on #4. In the end it would be great for me if I was to get all of the big 4 from my own DMA and the next closest in state DMA as well. Currently my locals come from Missouri and Kansas while I live in Oklahoma. Let me know if you have additional questions or want help with this. I would be willing to make calls to find out about it as well. Just need the zip and county you live in.
     
  4. shadough

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    What about DNS for RV's? I can't see the need for that service to disappear at all, especially since thats the only service still available from directv.
     
  5. James Long

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    DISH dropped their RV DNS service last year ... they still use the distants law to provide channels in short markets.
    I thought DirecTV still offered distants other than RVs?
     
  6. joshjr

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    They do. I think he is concerned about it possibly being dropped. Just from my point of view and listening to the 1 hour 30 minute plus hearing on the 13th, I do not think that is going to happen. Mr Dodge of DISH made it pretty clear that there were 21 short markets in the USA and that all of those would lose a major network they currently are not able to get without DNS, making those people not on equal playing field. Everyone should have the ability to watch all of the big 4 networks.

    If there is no ABC in a DMA, how can anyone get mad at wanting to import a ABC into that market? There is no presence there to be stepping on anyones toes. Its a natural progression in my opinion. Based on how each member of the comittee asked their questions, there is no doubt in my mind that some agreement will be made and this will continue to be an option. I think there is to much to lose by not having some kind of an agreement.

    Its not a matter of offering all 210 DMA's locals as DISH is already doing that and still needs DNS to fill in the gaps. I would not worry to much about it. I fully 100% expect this to pass in one way or another that we still benifit from it.
     
  7. James Long

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    If the NAB gets their way the distants law would be rewritten to change which distants would be receivable in those short markets. Bringing in distants where a SV station could be used is an issue. Since stations are no longer protected outside of their own market a network station could be significantly viewed in an area outside of their market but have some distant carried instead of them. Since DISH is using locals from spotbeams as distants it would not be stations from too far outside of the market ... DirecTV is using national distants instead of close distants. In both cases it may not be the NAB's choice of what station should get that area.
     
  8. joshjr

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    That is the part I dont get. The lady from the NAB showed she care less about short markets. Now they want to go from we dont care to you should offer significantly viewed before importing something else?

    Not that I dont agree with that but what the heck do they care. No local affiliate is getting screwed and it could be easier on the provider if they just offered a national DNS station instead. The NAB just ticks me off.
     
  9. James Long

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    If a far off distant is carried instead of a significantly viewed station it hurts that significantly viewed station. That station has the license to cover a geographic area that does not end at an arbitrary line drawn by Neilson. They have proven that people in that "significantly viewed" area actually watch their station OTA (proving that their signal can be received by normal viewers). To have a satellite carrier come in, ignore the close station that actually covers the area and import a far off distant station means that people who would receive a station OTA would not receive it via satellite.

    This is not a case of insisting that the local station not being carried improve their signal to reach more viewers ... this is a case of a station that has done the work being ignored because of an arbitrary line.
     
  10. joshjr

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    I found that to be less true then I thought. I called the FCC earlier this week and was told that any station can appy for the Significantly Viewe status and as long as afew criteria are met they get the status. It sounded like it was easy for a station to get the status making me feel less strongly that Significantly Viewed came more from ratings and Neilson. That appers to not be completely true.
     
  11. James Long

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    Yes, there is a criteria. But that criteria is written into law. 47 CFR 76.54
    http://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/47/76.54

    There may have been some adjustments to the standards from when I dug into the rules a few years ago ... but the standards still exist and it is more than just calling the FCC and asking that the station be added. SV has to be proven.
     
  12. joshjr

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    Yes James, I am aware of that am in the process of working through my first attmept at getting a station added to that list.
     
  13. James Long

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    Let us know how simple it is once you succeed. :)
     
  14. odbrv

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    Just as RVers go to different places and need access to Distant Locals, there are many other Americans who are mobil. Two large groups are seniors who winter in warmer climates and then there are the large number of students who reside away from home during the school year. Both of these groups would like to keep contact with both of their residence's area news. They number close to 40 million Americans. Another large group is Americans with a second home for Summers. Many of us multi residrent Amerricans are using the internet to get news from our multi area of residence. It is absurd that the internet can be allowed to carry all TV stations for free and cable/satellite distributors who must pay retransmission rights are tightly regulated.

    [Political comments removed]
     

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