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NASCAR 2017 lots of changes, sounds good

Discussion in 'Sports Programming and Events' started by jimmie57, Jan 23, 2017.

  1. codespy

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    Just a FYI before Sunday- Genie Sports search still shows Nascar as Nationwide and Sprint, so for me the only one that works is still the truck series (Camping World). If you use an Autorecord Boolean search with Monster Energy, the Daytona 500 will not be picked up, as the title for the race is "2017 Daytona 500". At least that's what occurs on my HR54 and other HD-DVR's. To make sure, set the recording in the guide if you don't want to miss it. The Duels are running right now. Glad they switched to nighttime a couple years ago so I didn't have to take off of work.......:thumbsup:
     
  2. James Long

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    DISH EPG has "NASCAR Sprint Cup Series Pre Show" and "Monster Energy NASCAR Cup Series" on my local Fox station. My "NASCAR Racing" timer on Fox caught the event. Which is surprising ... since in 2015 and 2016 the program didn't match and I had to set a one off timer (and my local Fox changed broadcast channels in the interim).

    Always a good thing to check one's timers to make sure what one wants to see is being recorded.
     
  3. 4HiMarks

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    Why doesn't Dish add a motorsports category to Game Finder? I really only care about the cup race itself, and not all the qualifying, practices, or down-series races. But a "NASCAR racing" timer catches all of those and I have to delete them.
     
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    Oh, and congratulations to Chase for winning his first cup-level race. I'm expecting big things from that boy this year.
     
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  5. James Long

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    Until Sunday night he is tied for first in points. That is a good position to be in going in to Daytona.

    I keep losing my drivers (Mark Martin, Carl Edwards, Jeff Gordon) ... Chase would be a good next driver to follow but he needs to win a race and stay in a position where he could win at least one race a year. I find it harder to follow a driver who does not win. (And I can't get past the personality of some of the winning drivers.)
     
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    How heartbreaking to run out of gas with 2 laps to go like that. I still think he will win a race sooner rather than later. I was a big fan of his Daddy back in the day. When Bill retired, I started rooting for the guy who took over his ride, and continued on through all the changes of sponsor, team, and car make, but Kasey never seemed to live up to his potential. Even with the Hendrick behemoth behind him. Hopefully Chase will be different. I just wish he wasn't driving a Chevy.
     
  7. jimmie57

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    They were truly demolition derby races.
    I do like the stages and the points available. For instance Danica ran close to the front most of the day finishing in 10th in stage 1 and 5th in stage 2. Then she got caught up in an unavoidable wreck ahead of her and was knocked out of the race. She finished in 33rd ? but with the extra points for previous performance in the race and the points she earned in the Clash she is listed in 24th in the standings.

    I wish Chase could have won or Ryan Blaney but by the same token I am glad that Kurt won it if either of those 2 could not.
     
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  8. James Long

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    I watched the truck race: 11 drivers OUT before the end of the first stage - 13 finished on the lead lap, six other finishers. 13 OUT at the end of the race.
    I watched the Xfinity race: 12 drivers OUT before the end of the first stage - 19 finished on the lead lap, two other finishers. 19 OUT at the end of the race.

    I was not looking forward to the cup race. I did not want to see a third of the field out before the first points were awarded. Fortunately the drivers saved the wrecks for later. Daytona is a easy place to get damage that takes more than five minutes to repair. 25 cars finished the race with 16 on the lead lap. That is good. (Still 15 lead lap/15 OUT ... but the outs happened much later in the race.)

    Congrats to Ryan Reed for holding off the cup drivers. And Kaz Grala for becoming the youngest winner ever.
    And of course congrats to Kurt for getting the elusive win.

    It is a shame that some of the damaged cars didn't have more than five minutes of repair time. In past races those drivers could have got a few more laps to improve their positions ... especially those running for the championship. But all the drivers have the same rules. This week Kyle, Dale, Jimmie and Matt lost to the clock. Next week other drivers may be the losers. The playoffs are still "win and you're in" so the low points don't matter for drivers who will (eventually) win.
     
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    I do not know why the drivers and crew chiefs insist on pushing the limit of the speed limit on pit road. Way too many speeding penalties in Atlanta.

    The advertisers / TV companies appear to be doing what they said they would do and that is cut down on the commercials and timing of them.
    This is from the Jayski.com website for the Atlanta race.
    Total race brdcst time 189 Total comm. brdcst time 42
    Last year this was a full 1 of every 3 minutes was commercials. This year it is 1 of every 4.5 minutes.

    I do like the stages and points for being in the top 10 of them.

    I do think the damage time should just be the actual time the car is in the pit stall and not include the getting onto and off of pit road.
     
  10. James Long

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    I am surprised that the commercial time is reduced - but perhaps without Sprint and with less NASCAR self promotion the actual number can be reduced.

    Kevin Harvick should be a fan of the Playoff Point for stage 1 and 2. By the time we get to Richmond the playoff point will be the only thing that matters. The top ten points may be the difference between the 16th place or 17th place driver in points making it into the playoff, but the bottom four drivers in the playoff are usually "also ran" cars anyways.

    If NASCAR can accurately report the exact time in and out of the pit I can see them changing the rule. Right now five minutes on pit road is easily measurable with timing loops. Actually measuring the time in the box would require use of the camera system. As the season moves on I am less interested in seeing the time lengthened. It would be bad if a driver missed the 5 minute clock due to a crash in Atlanta but another driver was given 7 minutes for their crash at another course. But in a way that is what NASCAR is doing by using pit in and pit out instead of box in and box out. On courses with a long pit road and a slower speed there is more pit road time and less pit box time to make the repair.

    I have not watched this weekend's races (so much for the additional excitement). It will be interesting to see if Kyle gets an encumbered finish. Give the teams an inch and they take more ... just like pit road speed. How close can you get without going over? They hurt themselves when they go over.
     
  11. James Long

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    Boys have at it. Really. Go for it. If you're mad at someone just walk up to them after the race and throw a punch. No conversation needed. And if some rookie makes a mistake just wait on the track and push his car into the wall under caution. Don't worry about fines or penalties. This is the new NASCAR.

    I am disappointed in Kyle for going directly to physical violence to express his anger. But based on his tone of voice at the next race I felt that he at least got a stern talking to. When cornered by Jamie Little (who was not accepting the "everything's great" response) he changed his inflection and "I am happy to be here" almost sounded like "I came close to not being here today". As if he narrowly avoided a sanction.

    But it was not long after NASCAR announced that "there will be no retaliation" that professional athlete Austin Dillon retaliated on track under caution. And I don't see how NASCAR declined to issue a penalty for that behavior. Parking Austin for a couple of laps was not a penalty. He was out of the race anyways. NASCAR's refusal to act has put their stamp of approval on the next driver who decides to push another car off of the track under caution.

    My non-NASCAR wife saw the incidents and her comment was "throwing punches and wrecking cars in anger is ok but if a measurement on a car is off by a micron they get penalized?" And I had to explain that the cars were off by an inch and a micron, not just a micron (just like pit road speeding isn't 0.001 MPH over the limit, it is 5.001 MPH over the limit). Exceeding tolerances is a serious transgression that leads to fines and suspensions. But blatant violence is ok.

    And yes, the two recent incidents are on the low end of the scale. They could have been more violent. Which makes me wonder - where is the line? How far will drivers have to go before NASCAR steps in and say "ok, that is enough"?
     
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    Kyle started it when he door slammed Joey in the end of the straight. Not a fan of Joey as I have seen him purposely push cars out of his way.
    Kyle also did not say anything when he approached Joey, just light right into him. Glad Kyle got a knock on the head in the fray.
    Definitely should be a fine and keep Austin off the Xfinity races for sure. That was an egregious infraction that anyone can interpret.
    If a car passes inspection before the race that should be the end of inspections. If they have to, impound the cars after qualifying them.
     
  13. James Long

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    Without post race teams would "adjust" at every opportunity. Remember the issues with teams flaring out the side of the cars by pulling in the fenders and slamming their bodies into the side of the car to change aerodynamics? NASCAR put a stop to that. Lugnuts are still in the news - this year it seems teams are willing to give up their position at the end of the race instead of be found with loose lugnuts. Some teams have gambled and lost. I am not sure what the race would be like if there were no post race inspections. Probably a lot of "adjustments" on the first pit stop.

    Points racing ???
    I have heard a few people commending the younger drivers for leading the points this year. Kyle Larson and Chase Elliot ahead of Martin Truex and veterans Brad Keselowski and Joey Logano with Ryan Blaney. close behind. Are people forgetting we are not points racing? The only points that matter are "playoff points". A race win will get a driver into the playoffs. Most drivers who get in on points don't go far in the "playoffs" (Ryan Newman being a notable exception). I assume as the season goes on more teams will realize that the points do not matter.

    With that in mind, I expect the "points racers" to keep pushing for top 10s in stages and the best finish at the end of the race. "Championship" racers will push for stage and race wins and (in the spirit of Kyle Busch) consider second or below a loss. If you can't win the stage or the race why tear up the car racing for points that do not carry past Richmond? Top 10s and top 5s make the sponsors happy ... but the points wash away after Richmond. The "Championship" racers have figured this out and will be there when the racing matters.

    Which is all the more reason why Kyle shouldn't be mad at Joey over Vegas. Kyle was not going to win ... and 2nd through 40th give the same number of playoff points. Kyle should be mad at Joey over Phoenix ... but I am not a conspiracy theorist that believes Joey would intentionally wreck to bring out a caution that would ruin Kyle's day.

    BTW: Congrats to Newman on Phoenix.
     
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    Wow ! the Xfinity race was exceptional Saturday. Lots of passing all thru the field. Sometimes 5 wide.
    Hope today will be similar.
     
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    More changes coming. In the All Star race they will have a set of softer tires they can choose. However if they do they have to go to the back of the pack. It will be interesting for sure.
     
  16. James Long

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    Top ten in a 10 lap green flag only shootout with all other cars off the track. If any team has burned up their one set earlier in the race they would be stuck in the front and likely passe ... 1st is better than 10th but I expect every crew chief will do the same thing.
     
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    The rain in Tennessee falls mainly on the track.

    Set your timers for 1pm (ET) Monday on your local Fox affiliate.
     
  18. James Long

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    Big change for 2018. No Dale Jr. He's retiring at the end of the year.
     
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    I am not surprised. I was surprised that came back after all those injuries to his head. He has a good looking honey now instead of a steering wheel. Needs to stay sharp for her.

    I am guessing that Alex Bauman will step into the 88 next year.
     

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