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Net Neutrality ...

Discussion in 'Legislative and Regulatory Issues' started by SayWhat?, Nov 20, 2010.

  1. SayWhat?

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    http://www.cnn.com/2010/TECH/web/11/18/fcc.net.neutrality.wired/

    http://www.wired.com/epicenter/2010/11/net-neutrality-groups-push-fcc/


    http://www.eweek.com/c/a/Enterprise...dered-Network-Neutrality-FCC-Chairman-230523/

    The first two articles get a bit too political to post snippets here.

    And, yeah, this has to do with TV considering the discussions here about IpTV and restrictions of switching to it from satellite due to bandwidth limits and broadband availability.
     
  2. lwilli201

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    I guess you can say it hit the fan today.
     
  3. klang

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  4. HIPAR

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    It's not about bits and bytes. What this is really about is establishing a legal basis for regulation of the Net as a telecommunications service. Then, all kinds of fees and taxes can be assessed. Look at your telephone bill.

    --- CHAS
     
  5. olguy

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    In spite of being told by a Federal Appeals Court last April that the FCC did not have the authority do do this, the FCC did it anyway. In spite of warnings from some congressmen and senators regarding this the FCC did it anyway. I wonder just how long this rule will stand?
     
  6. Paul Secic

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    Um two weeks.
     
  7. Luck255

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    So I'm pretty confused about this. The FCC passed net neutrality, which is regulating the internet or not? And in which ways? I just read about a dozen articles online, all extremely biased, either saying this is good because it makes the internet fair and free (keeps it the same way it is) or that it is bad because it allows censorship (changes the way the internet is). I guess what I'm trying to ask is, if I want the internet to remain the way it is would I be for or against "net neutrality"?
     
  8. Nick

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    ...and what about the rest of the world? Will net neutrality, whatever it means or however it is implemented, put the U.S. at a competitive disadvantage or make us the target of derision?

    Personally, I'd like to see Big Brother keep hands off but I may change my tune if Comcast ever throttles my NetFlix.
     
  9. xmetalx

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    Net neutrality, as I understand it, is the first example you gave, basically keeping it 'free' and unbiased so that companies/businesses/governments can't censor it.... if you want the internet to stay how it is you should be 'for' net neutrality.
     
  10. SayWhat?

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    ^^^ Ditto.
     
  11. trh

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    Big Brother has already messed this up with allowing the telecommunication monopolies. If we had a free market and competition, maybe we'd have faster and cheaper internet? Take a look at this overview quote and link from GIZMODO in 2009 concerning broadband speeds & costs around the world:

    Gizmodo

    Your scenario is viable. As the rules currently stand, there is nothing to stop COMCAST from throttling back your Netflix access.

    So while I agree that as a nation we need less regulation, I think we need to have some baseline regulations in place to ensure total access to the internet.
     
  12. Nick

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    In the long term, the principal of net neutrality could prove to be almost as important as the First Amendment itself. (Underlining below for emphasis)
    Full story @ http://voices.washingtonpost.com/posttech/2010/12/fcc.html?wpisrc=nl_natlalert
     
  13. olds403

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    The internet has gotten along just fine without the "help" of the FCC until now, it is not necessary and will ultimately lead to more regulations and restrictions than freedoms & "neutrality".
     
  14. Voyager6

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    Exactly. The FCC is attempting to prevent those companies that own the fiber from charging rates appropriate with usage. That is, regulate the ISP's as utilities without actually calling them utilities. The Courts have specifically told the FCC they do not have the authority from Congress to do this. Congress has yet to change the law to allow the FCC to regulate the ISP's. Yet, the FCC has decided to do it anyway. I predict a quick injunction and/or slap down from Congress.
     
  15. James Long

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    Have the actual rules been released yet or is everyone still discussing this based on the worst case scenarios put forward from each side of the argument?

    From what I've read, charging rates appropriate with usage will be fine ... but charging higher rates due to content that competes with services the ISP provides (or any other content based rate) will not be appropriate.

    Charge for bits, bytes and baud ... not what is encapsulated in the data.
     
  16. patmurphey

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    I don't think that the initial round of rules will be particularly offensive. I think they are meant to appear positive. The issue is the right to regulate and what could come of that in the future.
     
  17. Voyager6

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    The FCC shouldn't be setting any rules on "net neutrality" without specific Congressional authority. The Federal Court of Appeals has stated the FCC does not have the legal authority. I haven't heard that the Supreme Court has overturned this decision.
    http://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/07/technology/07net.html

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/04/06/AR2010040600742.html
     
  18. djlong

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    Wasn't it earlier this year that certain customers who were on a particular cable system were prevented from accessing Hulu via their cable-based internet connections?

    THAT is what Net Neutrality is all about.

    It's about preventing Comcast from forcing you to pay for cable when all you want is internet. The FCC *did* this when the players were the telephone companies and the service in questions was DSL and ADSL. Phone companies didn't want to offer "naked DSL" (DSL without you having a landline). I was a beneficiary of that, though I didn't need to be.

    I've since given up the copper POTS line for a fiber line and moved my land-line number to a VOIP system. So, in a sense, I have "naked fiber".
     
  19. phrelin

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    All this debate puzzles me. The private sector did not put a dime into "inventing" the internet. It was taxpayer money spent by the government. The government should have a right to say how it is used by the private sector. If Congress chooses to give it all away to conglomerates to use huge asset developed by the government to suck money from our pockets into theirs, that's our fault.

    The FCC is trying to keep the "information superhighway" invented using government money from becoming a series of more or less interconnected toll booths favoring those with huge amounts of money over those without. The long-term perception is that our economic well-being as a nation would be better served with an interstate highway system.
     
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    It is good to see someone knows the history of the internet. I was fortunate to be able to use while working for the Department of the Navy in 1987.
     

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