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New 721 Upgrade Promotion???

Discussion in 'Standard Definition Receiver Support Forum' started by tuckercom, May 3, 2004.

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  1. kmcnamara

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    Simon is correct. This concept is known as "Nexus". I also live in Texas and was charged the tax. Another example is if you bought something from Walmart.com. They would charge you sales tax because Walmart obviously has a presence in Texas.
     
  2. finniganps

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    Even if you don't pay the sales tax charged by your state because the company doesn't have a tax presence in the state, you should theoretically be remitting the use tax (equal in amount to the sales tax) to the state. People simply do not comply with the use tax. It's not that there's no tax, it's just that the people don't pay it.

    The states are currently working on a project Streamlined Sales Tax to get all retailers to collect the tax no matter where you live and no matter where they do business. The states are hoping that by working together on a solution that Congress will pass the necessary laws to allow them to force all companies to collect the sales tax that is not being collected at this point. Over 1/2 the states are involved at this point.
     
  3. Blademan

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    Yes. I received my DP34 in 2 days, but the 721 took 10 days-2 weeks.
     
  4. Slaylock

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    I also had a successful experience. I e-mailed ceo@echostar.com and got a response that day. $249, free shipping, free install. I placed the order on 6/2, but by 6/10 it still hadn't shipped. They did upgrade me to next-day shipping for free, so I received the 721 on 6/11. The installer came yesterday and added a legacy quad (I did all the internal cabling).

    Overall, I'm very pleased with the 721. The guide is lightning fast, dual tuners is very handy, and we are enjoying on-screen caller id. I miss my Dishplayer's name-based recordings, but I like the 721 better overall.

    Thanks to everyone who gave such useful information in this thread. I wouldn't have even known about this deal otherwise.
     
  5. garypen

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    Thanks. It turns out my 721 didn't ship until Wed. evening, even though I was billed (and the DP34 switch was shipped) last Thursday.

    Oh well. I'm looking forward to setting it up on Monday, when it's scheduled to arrive.
     
  6. craig559

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    Mine was installed on the 17th. Was as ussual a scew with Dish tho. The poor installer only had a drop off of my switchs and converter on his work order. So I thought here it starts and I wont get it installed. BUT Terry(the installer) came thru, he did the install anyway and told me not to worry he would take care of getting his money out of Dish, great guy and good work, it was the first 721 install he had done and was pretty amazed with the reciever. He said the outfit he worked for could not even get them, since they were introduced, and when he heard the price he was kinda surprised.
     
  7. riekl

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    Actually the concept of sales taxes on here is slightly wrong.

    If Vendor does not have a POB (place of business) in a state they do not have to COLLECT the sales tax. You as the buyer however are legally obligated to notify the state on your annual tax form about all uncollected sales taxes and to pay them with your income tax.

    I.e. if you buy an item from a small mom and pop shop in TX and you live in MI, lets say this item costs $1000. The mom and pop shop is only going to charge you $1000 + shipping.

    However when you file your 2004 taxes in feb-april (whenever you do) you must notify the state of michigan of this $1000 purcase and pay your $60 in taxes at this time.

    Every state I know of has these laws and they are notoriouisly ignored by consumers .. but be forewarned that it IS tax "evasion" and a jailable offense if the states were to decide to proseucte.
     
  8. Mark S.

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    Thanks for all the info folks...

    I was just a little surprised by this.

    And riekl...FYI...We DO NOT pay state income tax in Texas. :D Would that still make it tax evasion??? :nono2:
     
  9. kmcnamara

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    Riekl, what you're describing is Use Tax, not sales tax (although they are essentially the same thing). Sales tax is appropriate for Dish to collect when selling to Texas consumers because they have a presence it Texas - I believe they have a call center in El Paso? If Dish did not have a presence in Texas, then you are correct. Dish would not collect the sales tax but the consumer would be liable to pay the state of Texas for the Use Tax which would be the same tax rate. As you indicated, no one does this because there's almost no way for the state to track these kinds of out-of-state purchases (and also because very few individuals and non-business owners even know about the Use Tax concept).
     
  10. Mike D-CO5

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    When I buy anything from Dishdepot in Florida, I live in Texas, I never pay any tax on anything. All out of the state of Florida citizens never get charged income tax. This is the main reason why I do all dish receiver upgrades through Mark at Dishdepot. Of course this is a internet site and as far as I know there is no federal compulsary tax on the internet yet. Congress has never put a tax on it and keeps agreeing to extend the no tax rule for another 5 years . Someday the internet will be taxed and then one advantage of internet shopping will be gone.
     
  11. riekl

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    Mark,

    If Texas has a sales tax, and you do not pay that tax to the state on items you buy online, then yes it is tax evasion.

    And like the other poster said it is not currently enforced anywhere .. I am just trying to make people aware because legally the states can enforce this, and some broke state desperate for money is going to after the billions of dollars in owed use tax's in order to balance their budget. I personally pay my use tax because its not worth not paying it for 5 years and then getting burned when they backbill you for it all, WITH interest.

    kmcnamara,

    "(and also because very few individuals and non-business owners even know about the Use Tax concept)." As i am sure you aware the IRS and state treasuries do not consider ignorance of tax law an excuse and will prosecute just as harshly.
     
  12. kmcnamara

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    Legally, you have to pay use tax on any out of state purchase whether it's mail order or an Internet purchase. It's true that Dishdepot won't collect the tax because they are not obligated to do so. However, you are obligated to calculate the tax and send it into the the local taxing authority in Texas. Having said that, I never do it... ;)
     
  13. veith

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    Last year, for the first time, Oklahoma (a "broke" state) made it quite clear on our income tax form we are responsible for sales tax on any item purchased out of state, period. We have the choice of giving a detailed account of every transaction or giving a straight percentage (forgot how much) of our income. I believe it also stated we would be prosecuted if investigated and found in noncompliance.

    Best regards,
    Charles
     
  14. silicon_ghost

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    This is far off topic but, regarding sales tax.

    Your state is NOT permitted to collect sales tax from entities without a physical presence in your state. To do so would violate the constitutional rule that states cannot interfere in interstate commerce. This was placed in the constitution to prevent a repeat of the earlier confederation of states taxing the hell out of each others imports/exports. The congress so far has said that sales tax falls into category. I suggest you spend time heckling your U.S. Representatives and Senators if you don't wish to be taxed to death as some states are wont to do.

    The sections I repeated below (from the constitution) have been interpreted as "states cannot interfere in interstate commerce". Of course Congress has the power to change that.


    Section 9 Clause 5: No Tax or Duty shall be laid on Articles exported from any State.

    Section 9 Clause 6: No Preference shall be given by any Regulation of Commerce or Revenue to the Ports of one State over those of another: nor shall Vessels bound to, or from, one State, be obliged to enter, clear, or pay Duties in another.

    Section 10 Clause 2: No State shall, without the Consent of the Congress, lay any Imposts or Duties on Imports or Exports, except what may be absolutely necessary for executing it's inspection Laws: and the net Produce of all Duties and Imposts, laid by any State on Imports or Exports, shall be for the Use of the Treasury of the United States; and all such Laws shall be subject to the Revision and Controul of the Congress.
     
  15. mindwarp

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    I have asked a few csr's about the 721 offer and they say that there is no offer :mad:
     
  16. ron6399

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    Mindwarp just send an email to ceo@echostar.com asking about the 721 for $249 , thats what I did a few days ago and had a return phone call from the ceo office the same day and voila my 721 was ordered. I had tried calling myself but ran into the same roadblock no one new of the deal.
     
  17. riekl

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    Silicon_ghost,

    Article I, Section 9, is a limitation on the power of
    Congress, not the states.

    Section 10, which states:

    "No State shall, without the Consent of the Congress, lay
    any Imposts or Duties on Imports or Exports, except what may
    be absolutely necessary for executing it's inspection
    Laws...."

    The short answer is that taxes on consumers for goods
    purchases (i.e., sales and use taxes) are not taxes on the
    importing or exporting of goods, but on the retail sale with
    the state, because the tax is the same regardless of whether
    the goods being purchased were manufacturing inside the
    state or outside the state.

    For some reason, the Supreme Court usually addresses this
    problem as a commerce clause problem, and not a problem
    under Article I, section 10. For a decision approving the
    imposition of a "use tax" on tangible property brought into
    a state, see Henneford v. Silas Mason Co., 300 U.S. 577
    (1937), http://laws.findlaw.com/us/300/577.html

    In short short, State Sales taxes are perfectly legal and you ARE legally obligated to pay your state of residence the sales tax for any item that you buy in another state if it was not collected by the Vendor.

     
  18. Mark S.

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    Wow...

    Sorry for ever getting you guys going on the subject of taxes being accessed to my purchase.

    If it puts any of you at ease, know that DISH explained it to me over the phone, though not nearly as well as all of you have, and I paid it. End of discussion, hopefully.

    Once again though, thanks for the info.
     
  19. rkrider113

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    Just wanted to add my "721 deal" experience to the collection. I've been a DHP subscriber for coming up on 2 years. I have the top 180/Hbo/Max programing package. My equip consists of a 508 Pvr & 301 rec. I sent an email as has been described and received a call from Chris the next day. Bottom line 721, installation, and shipping 249.00. So I will now have a 721 & 508 (sending the 301 back) Chris was super patient and knowledgable answering many questions. So if a 721 is what you want then by all means send the email...... Its real

    Steve
     
  20. larrystotler

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    I am an installer for a local retailer. I looked through this thread and thought I would clear it up a bit. The actuall promotion is the Dishplayer 510 DVR upgrade. For NON-DHP subscribers, it is as follows:

    510 - $79 - No truck roll, upgrade or addititon. Additional $4.98/month VOD fee unless you have Everything
    510 - $99 - Truck rolll, upgrade or addititon. Additional $4.98/month VOD fee unless you have Everything.
    501 - $149 - upgrade or addititon. Truck roll if required. NO VOD fee.
    508 - $199 - upgrade or addititon. Truck roll if required. NO VOD fee.
    721 - $249 - upgrade or addititon. Truck roll if required. NO VOD fee.
    921 - $599 - upgrade or addititon. Truck roll if required. Additional $4.98/month VOD fee unless you have Everything

    All upgrades include any nesseccary switches. Minimum commitment to AT60 or Dish Latino for 1 year. Sales tax where applicable. This comes directlly from May's retailer chat. All promotions extended thru 7/31/04. Only 1 DVR upgrade every 6 months.

    Retailer may charge more for receivers for non promo sales. 721 receivers require activation by the advance tech support team.

    I believe they are trying to get rid of the older, non VOD fee equipment. I did the 721 upgrade, but it took a while to get one.

    Hope this helps.
     
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