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Discussion in 'DIRECTV Programming' started by Devo1237, Feb 7, 2012.

  1. Feb 13, 2012 #61 of 143
    WebTraveler

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    I just don't think the Pac-12 will settle for that. Plus making the regional channels available to all is a great way to attract new customers for the "sports leader." We'll have to see for sure, but if Directv carries them making them available to all is not a big deal - because they are already on the system and Directv owns the nationwide rights. So this is what is different from your local RSN - they usually only own regional rights and most of the channel is blacked out. Here nothing will be blacked out since the Pac-12 owns the content nationwide.

    We'll see. I am hoping a deal gets done by noon, but if the past is a predictor I think it will go down to the wire.....
     
  2. Feb 13, 2012 #62 of 143
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    Why would the PAC 12 not settle for that? That's exactly what they will get from every other carrier. That's actually their business model in the first place, none of the regionals have ever been expected to show up out of market.

    And this is a massive deal, not a no biggie as you imply. For both technical and physical reasons.

    And I think you keep missing the point. DirecTV has space for what, maybe twelve more channels right now Lakers will take two, Huston will take one, leaving nine. (assuming those deals get done as well. ) what has been said is dtv will add more than two more channels over the course of the year... Now they have seven or less available channels in the first place. It's just not realistic to think they will get all the channels up nationally right now. DirecTV will not max out their capacity for these six channels, and they shouldn't. They don't have the room. Maybe if there was a real important game they could do an alternate channel, but even then, since that's not expected, I don't think they'll even do that. If they do carry the PAC network, I do expect all the regionals to go national after d14 is launched, but till then, I don't see it as feasible from a physical standpoint.

    Oh, and your assuming DirecTV would have nationwide rights for the regional channels, which would cost more money, which is why i dont think theyd show up on anything other than the sports pack for out of market. Yes, i dont even think the entire pac 12 markets would get each regional without the sports pack. I dont see directv wanting to pay that much. They have said that the number of sports channels (directly referring to the pac 12 as i recall) is getting out of hand, and what they are asking is too ( referring to csn in Portland area, as well as the long horn network I believe).

    We will never know that, and at the moment, they don't have any rights. :). I don't think there is an actual deadline to getting any deals done either.
     
  3. Feb 13, 2012 #63 of 143
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    they can put Lakers Spanish in the sat with all the other Spanish on it.

    But still they need room for
    Cox Sports Television HD
    CSN Philly HD maybe forced to take TCN Philly HD as well or at least as a part time over flow feed.
    CSN NW HD
    Lakers HD
    Comcast/Charter Sports Southeast HD
    FSN SD HD maybe able to fit on Directv as a subfeed
    CSN Huston HD + maybe Comcast Sports Southwest (CSS) HD As a part time over flow feed?
    a few FSN feeds moving to full time from subfeeds
    PAC 12 HD main + alt's? and then the RSN feeds that may have alt's as well.

    New stuff with that may come with a new ESPN deal

    ESPN 3 HD (limited part time feed of some ESPN online games)
    ESPN Goal Line HD / ESPN Buzzer Beater HD part time?
    ESPN longhorn network HD (may work as spot beam only) Fios only has in HD in the longhorn area.
    also may the part time Game Plan HD and Full Court HD.

    Maybe some other RSN feeds maybe needed before D14 goes up let's say OTA tv goes away or get's cut down then at least in Chicago CSN may need like a max of 4-5 HD feeds at the same time. Or maybe the WGN / wciu games will move to CLTV HD.
     
  4. Feb 13, 2012 #64 of 143
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    No, you are missing the point.

    Directv is already going to have to give the bandwidth to the regionals. They will already be on the system anyway and the bandwidth is already going to be used.

    There is no point to shove them all in the sportspack, the bandwidth is used. The Pac 12 will cut a deal that allows the out of market items to be a low cost, so it is just as easy to keep them on for everyone.

    The ONLY reason your RSN is not on nationwide is that the RSN itself does not own the market rights for out of the area. But here the Pac-12 does own the rights.

    You are right Directv has issues on overall bandwidth and always has. No matter how much bandwidth it builds it finds a use for them.

    If there is a bandwidth issue you may see some of the regionals in SD for now, but long term you will see them.

    You are right, for now there is no deal. But it will happen. Directv will lose many, many customers if they don't. Our football stadiums across the Pac 12 contain lots of tv viewers by itself....you will see a HUGE number of these folks leave if they don't carry it. But also by carrying it they'll gain new subscribers if they offer something the local cable co can't! And they'll offer it at a small price to gain a new customer in say NY...the channel is already on the system!

     
  5. Feb 13, 2012 #65 of 143
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    I love when people think for some reason their college conference is so important that Directv MUST carry it or else. Like I've said, wanna have them? Fine. Put Big 10, PAC 10, LHN, and any other that comes along in their own separate sports tier. Not Sports Pack that we have now. Give them their own college level regional whatever and put all these stations in it.
     
  6. Feb 13, 2012 #66 of 143
    spartanstew

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    No kidding.

    Obviously, the Big 10 should be carried by everyone for free, but most of those other conferences? Right.
     
  7. Feb 13, 2012 #67 of 143
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    No, it shouldn't. I said I wish all of them were in there own tier together. If they did that with the NFL, MLB, NHL, and NBA I'd be fine with that too but at least those are NATIONAL leagues that appeal to a large number of people everywhere not regional areas around the country.
     
  8. Feb 13, 2012 #68 of 143
    sigma1914

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    Other than USC & Oregon (possibly Stanford), the Pac12 is pretty weak for national recognition and popularity. I don't see a point in adding all the Pac12 affiliates. School specific channels shouldn't be on the radar until after the next satellite.
     
  9. Feb 14, 2012 #69 of 143
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    I can't wait for every major college and conference to start their own channel so bills can average $300 a month. Maybe every pro team can start their own channel too? Didn't most of this stuff used to be aired on network or major cable channels? Now it's all being carved up and sold for god knows how much more than before.
     
  10. Feb 14, 2012 #70 of 143
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    The pro team owns part of the local RSN's in Chicago they own like 80% of CSN Chicago.
     
  11. Feb 14, 2012 #71 of 143
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    Sorry, I'm not missing the point.

    I understand what your saying, but your just not catching on to what is physically happening when dtv puts channels on a spot beam. If DirecTV puts the regional versions on spot beams, then it's not taking up any bandwidth on the conus transponders, allowing them to only use one channel for the main PAC 12 network for nationwide coverage that would be available to everyone. This they have room for now with ease. Most every dma has room for several more lil hd channels. They do not have room for all seven channels in hd conus right now.

    Or to put it another way, the can supply the regional channels to each region they go to without using bandwidth for a national channel. Thats key.

    Then when they have the bandwidth, they will be able to put the regional channels onto a conus beam and let the entire country see them at that time.

    As for if they are available to all or on the sports pack, who knows.

    Your completely wrong about the rsn for other areas. All rsn dtv carries right now are available right now nationwide if you have the sports pack today. Thats the whole point of the sports pack, to see channels outside your area for pre and post games, and lower level games that arent restricted by tv rights to certain areas or channels, etc. If not having rights to all games was the only issue, they wouldn't have a sorts pack, they'd let them all show to everyone all the time, and simply blackout the games they weren't authorized to show nationwide. When you have the sports pack now, that doesn't get you all the games on all RSNs throughout the country, it just gives you access to all the channels and their programs they have rights to broadcast nationally. The difference in the regional PAC 12 networks is they would have the rights to broadcast all the games nationally, no blackouts. That still doesn't change the fact DirecTV and the pac12 could come to an agreement to have them available to everyone for free, or put them in the sports pack. I still believe they will end up in the sports pack. This will allow DirecTV to carry the channels but only pay for them for the few subscribers that would actually have the sports pack, rather than pay them based on all the customers in a much much larger package. Not unless the pac12 makes their rates for areas not in the pac12 areas so cheep it would be the same price, but I doubt that will happen.

    That's really a we disagree on what prices will be asked for and found acceptable for the regional channels on a national level, not a factual issue of how bandwidth can and would be used, which is a massive factor into this whole issue in the first place.

    Only time will tell though, on where those channels end up in the long run. But for the short run, I can't see how it can be expected to show all the regional channels nationwide, that would take up six more channels worth of capacity vs simply having those channels broadcast only to their actual regions to match cable companies till d14 is up, and they have the actual bandwidth to do it. Today, they easily have the bandwidth for local carriage of the regional networks, but not national carriage.
     
  12. Feb 15, 2012 #72 of 143
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    YES you are missing the point. Yes you can pay $12.99 for Sports Pack to get out of market RSNs. But you do not get the most of the content of these RSNs as MOST of the professional and some college sports Directv only has the right to show the content in the area of the channel - the area Directv has rights to show it in.

    The difference with the Pac 12 channels is that Directv will have the right to show it nationwide. If the channel is already on the system there is little or no additional cost to Directv to show that channel to everyone on it's system. If the price per subscriber is small enough (10 cents?) outside the footprint Directv will show it. WHY? Because they WILL gain subscribers from it. The UW fan in NYC, the Stanford fan in Boston, etc.

    Now if they only stick the channel in the local DMA as you suggest then they cannot show that channel to everyone else in the Pac 12 footprint if they want it. Putting it in the local DMA is not a realistic option. A Pac 12 fan in Phoenix might want all Pac 12 channels for example. That's just not practical for the Pac 12 network and it won't happen. If they are in the local DMA none of these channels could even be in the sports pack since that would be nationwide.

    The bandwidth issue is always an issue. That's an issue for Directv and always will be. No matter how much bandwidth you have you will always need more. Directv can take it away from the PPV movies, not show every home and away channel on the MLB, NBA, NHL packages, etc. That's a choice that will need to be made by someone in Directv.

    Pac-12 is only going to put their channels on Directv if it benefits them. If they get pushed only to Sportspack for everyone or most channels you will not see the channels here. The other side to that is Directv looses lots of customers in the Pac-12 footprint because the cable packages are already signed on - to carry the Pac 12 national channel and the local channel in the footprint - and in a sports tier the other channels (or so we're told). So if the cable companies have the channels and satellite does not, then where are we? Satellite can't compete then.

    Pac-12 knows that a national distribution contract benefits them so they want to be able to push the games everywhere. Cable cos in NJ, NY DC, etc. won't carry the Pac 12 and especially won't carry all the local regionals. So pushing for viewership, Pac 12 says to Directv, take the channels you aready have and make them go national with every one of them and we'll charge you next to nothing for people outside of the Pac 12 footprint. How can Directv say no to that - because even if they pick up one customer who wouldn't normally have Directv - then Directv benefits. The bandwidth is already used up.

    So what's the limitation? The total bandwidth available. You say there is not enough to accomodate everyone. I don't know if that is true or not. If it is, then that's an issue to work out. It's also leverage for Directv to use with other channels to keep prices down - could say hey Oprah channel, we have a limit on the amount of bandwidth and you want X and we say we'll pay Y - and thats it. We don't have bandwidth for all, so either sign on at X or we're done and if we're done we don't know if you will ever get access again. That's a business decision they'd have to make.

    So restricted bandwidth can benefit Directv in more ways than one.

    I would be shocked - completely shocked if the Pac 12 ends up in sports pack. It makes so sense to the Pac 12 to even put the channels on Directv should that be the case.

    It comes down to who has the real leverage here? Key to all of this negotiation was getting every major cable company on board before launch. How in the world Larry Scott did that I do not know, but he did. Now that he did that upped the ante for Directv and the others to carry the channel. The man is brilliant.

    We'll just have to see....but I will bet you a beer that they will either be all on or not at all. If there is a real bandwidth problem the only accomodation I could see Pac 12 making is temporarily allowing some SD content for the regionals with all major sports events being in HD. We'll have to see....:D:)
     
  14. Feb 15, 2012 #74 of 143
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    Sure. Remove programming from packages people are paying lots of $$$ for, or movies people are paying $$$ for, and put on regional sports that everyone will get for free? Yea, I can hear that business meeting now. Pass the donuts.
     
  15. Feb 15, 2012 #75 of 143
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    Does anyone know where the thread that discusses the "New Choice Extra Package" went to? ;)
     
  16. Feb 15, 2012 #76 of 143
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    I know about the rights to the games and that dtv would not need to black any of them out. The only thing that would do is make the channel more expensive, not less, making it even more likely for the regionals, if picked up, to be put into the sports pack to offset the costs for them.

    And you are also completely wrong on saying there is no cost to showing the channel nationally if they carry it locally and they have the rights. There is absolutely a massive cost. The pricing for channels is based on how many people can receiver the channel. Far fewer people have the sports pack, so they'd have to pay far far less for a channel in the sports pack than if they have it available in a more national package. The only way around that is if the PAC 12 offers the channels to DirecTV for free if they pay for the national channel, or something of that nature. Not reduced, but free. ( dtv just moved some channels to a higher teir because of costs this month. ) Let me know when a channel offers their programing for free to anyone. Yes they could cut a deal that changes how much is charged for the channel in different dmas and such, but it'd still cost far less in the sports pack unless they significantly undercut the fees they will get locally in comparison to what they will be getting from a local cable company, and that's something that I don't see happening because it'd open a giant can of worms.

    If all the major games can be seen on the national channel, then thats the channel that will be viewed the most nationally. The other channels will have much smaller views hip outside the region in which they are meant for. They will have eyes, but so many fewer than what the national network will have.

    Did you even read the link to the post above yours? Where it specifically states Comcast may put the channels in the sports pack, and is only guaranteed to carry one of the channels in each market, either the national feed or the local, but have the option to carry both? (read, they can carry both if they want to pay more)

    And that all major sports games that aren't on espn or fox will be on both the regional channels and the national channels so everyone will be able to see them no matter which channels a carrier decides to pickup will have that game. ( those games being football and basketball)

    Look, I see your point in why it would be beneficial to have all nationwide, but you seem to think the bandwidth question isn't really going to have an impact other than they can negotiate a better deal. That's just false. At this time, I don't see any way for DirecTV to dedicate any more than one channel nationally for the pac12.

    These channels will cost, no matter how you slice it. Saying they will carry them all nationally because the PAC 12 doesn't want any of them in a sports pack is also a falsify, based in what Larry just said recently.

    A PAC 12 fan can want all the channels as much as they want, but if DirecTV doesn't have the bandwidth to have them all everywhere right now, then they will have to deal with whatever channels they do carry. One or two channels is better than none. Please, tell me how that's not true? And we are talking no matter what about having more games and programing on tv than ever before, so no matter what the consumer is gaining over what the have today. If DirecTV picks up just the national channel, they will have far more pac12 sports available nationally than ever before.

    Again, the bandwidth issue will go away for these channels in two years. I don't think that DirecTV will want to wait till then to carry any of the pack 12 channels.

    For those wondering, the whole discussion in this started because we where wondering if this channel will show up in this new package. I don't expect it in the entertainment package. I expect the PAC 12 channel national version to end up in the same teir as the NBC sports channel, and eventually the regional channels available to everyone outside the PAC 12 markets in the sports pack. That would be the extra package and above I do believe. That what makes the most economic sense for everyone IMHO. And let's everyone see more games the PAC 12 plays than ever before.
     
  17. Feb 16, 2012 #77 of 143
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    **may**

    until everything comes together we really don't know for sure what any provider is doing, frankly. I can also show you articles that says something else. So here we are.
     
  18. Feb 16, 2012 #78 of 143
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    Sorry to high jack this thread about PAC-12 networks but I just read where they will be wanting 90 cents a subscriber. They are out of their minds. I hope DirecTV doesn't give in and give them that kind of money. I have had it with how much sports programming is jacking up our monthly rates.
     
  19. Feb 16, 2012 #79 of 143
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    So the PAC-12 wants DirecTV to pay them for the privilege of carrying their games.
    I think DirecTV should also ask the PAC-12 to pay for the privilege of providing an outlet for their games.
    This goes for almost every channel out there.
     
  20. Feb 16, 2012 #80 of 143
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    It's just annoying. I don't know who the PAC-12 thinks they are. They aren't the SEC or Big Ten. At 90 cents a subscriber they would be getting almost as much as TNT gets and more than Disney, TBS, USA and ESPN2. Uh, what? They are out of their minds and if any cable or satellite company gives them that much it makes me sick. The Big Ten Network only gets around 40 cents a subscriber. Enough with all this crap. Tired of it. :)
     

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