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New Directv Prices

Discussion in 'DIRECTV General Discussion' started by A_Bear, Dec 23, 2011.

  1. SledgeHammer

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    I'm an existing long time customer, so naturally DirecTV treats me worse then a new customer by giving them the lifetime and me the 2yr :rolleyes:. Hmm... thinking back, I know I switched to auto-pay to get the 2yrs, and I also started bundling with AT&T to save more $$$. I think there was something where I had to re-up for 2yrs, but maybe I'm high :grin:.
     
  2. SledgeHammer

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    What has me and most others mad is that NOTHING else has increased at the same rate. Think back to all your bills: gas, power, electric, phone, internet, etc. over the same time period. Assuming you didn't add new features, NONE of those items has doubled since 2002. Has your salary? Mine has only gone up roughly 60% and thats only a factor of adding more years experience.

    As far as DISH goes, well, I think if you look back to 2002 and compare DISH prices, you'll see they have moved pretty much lock step with DirecTV.
     
  3. SledgeHammer

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    Yeah, companies don't care. They know that not everybody is going to leave, just a small outspoken minority. You can see a clear example of this with Netflix. They doubled prices overnight and everybody screamed and claimed they were going to quit. In the end, they lost 1M out of 12M customers. Whoopee! Sure the stock went from $300 to $70, but really, what is 1M out of 12M? Almost nothing.
     
  4. SledgeHammer

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    I would definitely LOVE to see ESPN, etc. moved to a separate package since they are the biggest rate increasers. I have ZERO interest in sports and would much rather get channels I watch. I know a la carte doesn't work in general, but its also pretty clear that sports nuts are generally willing to pay anything to watch sports. So let those that want sports foot the bill for it. Most of the other sports channels are already extra anyways.
     
  5. MysteryMan

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    Your comparing apples with oranges. The services you mentioned have a fraction of the technological demands DirecTV has. The services you mentioned don't have yearly negotiations with content providers that result is fee raising. They don't have a fleet of satellites to maintain nor the need for R & D for new satellites not to mention storage, transportation, and launch fees for the new satellites. The demand for improvement and upgrading is minuscule to those DirecTV faces. Those upgrades and improvements come with a price.
     
  6. Mike Bertelson

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    Don't you have to compare DIRECTV's prices to the rest of the service providers?

    It's kind of unfair to compare it to other sectors of the economy?

    Mike
     
  7. VelvetUn

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    As others have pointed out, your comparison is to commodities that are entirely different than TV service. However, gas prices in 2004 (my reference point for starting service) were $1.85, according to the U.S. Dept. of Energy. The average gas price in the nation today, according to AAA is $3.24. That is a 75% price increase.
     
  8. xov

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    DirecTV prices have doubled since 2000 (not 2002). That's 100% over 12 years, or an average of 6% per year compounded. That's more than some things but less than others (college tuition and healthcare, for example).

    I'm not rich, but for me the hassle of switching providers is not worth the cost.

    And it's clear (to me anyway) that an a la carte business model is not currently practical for any of the providers. So we can complain all we want, but the reality is we can stick with DirecTV or go somewhere else. Our choice.
     
  9. SledgeHammer

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    That's true in some regard, but remember, the majority of the new satellites are to provide LIL support. OK, I'm paying for the Los Angeles locals since that's what I use and that's on the main bird. So is New York.

    Should I have to pay for everybody elses locals? Probably not. I don't even have access to them.

    I also would bet various body parts that if you took a survey of DTVs 20M customers, the vast majority would have rather kept the SD GUI and kept the monthly bill lower vs. the HD GUI.

    I'd also bet another body part that if those 20M customers had the option of "pick either LA or NY locals or your bill will go up $10/month to pay for the new birds" the vast majority would say "hey, LA/NY is good enough". :D

    Anyways, the point is... I like bells and whistles as much as the next guy, but the majority of the bells and whistles that DTV has added over the past few years, I have ZERO interest in and feel a little annoyed that I have to pay for them.

    P.S. my electric company just upgraded to remote readable meters... guess how much that cost me? $0.
     
  10. SledgeHammer

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    Lol, ok guys, I concede. I am kind of comparing apples to oranges :). DISH has gone up as much as DTV.

    ISP is certainly not a commodity and thats got technology. My ISP bill has actually gone DOWN while my speed has gone UP.

    Seems like my local cable company is about the same price.
     
  11. racermd

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    You make a good point with the electric meter but, ultimately, you're paying for new features whether you want them or not and whether you get them or not. The cost for D* to do anything ultimately comes out their revenue. Whether they choose to dip into their profits to pay for it (like your electric company apparently did for that fancy new meter), raise rates to offset the cost (so they can keep the profits), or some combination is up to them. Well, ultimately, it's up to the subscriber base (including you and me) to accept the new rates.

    Personally, I would like to see D* open things up a bit for customers that want to bring their own equipment like has been done with cable with cableCARD. Charge me per tuner, fine. Just give me the ability to attach those tuners to my own equipment so I can build out my own whole-home DVR solution without funding a bunch of R&D on equipment that will ultimately be less than fully adequate. I get that engineering a good product for the masses means making a bunch of compromises and testing the dickens out of everything. I'll save D* the money of doing those tests and building a bunch of boxes - let me roll my own. I'm a smart guy and can generally support my own stuff.
     
  12. Mike Bertelson

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    I thought the internet was considered a commodity...but I could be wrong.

    Mike
     
  13. SledgeHammer

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    Well... I'm guessing the new meter probably costs them $200 to $300 installed. Maybe even $500. In this case, the motives are obvious. They can get rid of all the meter reader jobs which means no more salaries, trucks, insurance, pensions, training, scheduling, etc. With all the people they can get rid of, they are probably going to break even the first year or sooner.
     
  14. zimm7778

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  15. JoeTheDragon

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    then what is the $2 fee for?? Will you be able to take Entertainment and add RSN's for $2?

    on dish At120 does not have RSN's but for $5 more AT120+ does + big ten for people in the big ten area.
     
  16. JoeTheDragon

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    The grocery store does not force all people to buy coke to get other stuff.
     
  17. JoeTheDragon

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    or at least get rid of the 2 year lock in to add boxes like how most of the cable co's do it.
     
  18. renbutler

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    I don't like paying an extra $6 a month, but I love the self-righteousness of all the anti-"greed" posters here who pretend they wouldn't try to maximize profits if they owned a high-demand product.
     
  19. James Long

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    If the service is entertainment it seems fair. Comparing DBS to utilities such as electric, water, gas and phone service is a stretch - especially with the regulation on such utilities.

    It would be a stretch, but there are a lot of service industries such as food service which could be inappropriately compared. After a while you end up with something big, like the consumer price index, that one could compare DirecTV's price increases to. But there are industries that are above and below that average.

    At first blush cable/DBS seems to be above average in price increases ... but there is a lot more service being provided now than 10 years ago. If one could roll back the price to match the average consumer price increase would one accept the channel list and features that were available 10 years ago at the 10 year plus inflation price? Probably not. People WANT the improvements to the service. Improvements cost money.
     
  20. Davenlr

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    I didnt say get rid of them, I said give us the choice to OPT OUT of them, like we do with the Sports pak, HD Extra Pack, etc. Make it a choice to add on or not.
     

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