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New Directv Prices

Discussion in 'DIRECTV General Discussion' started by A_Bear, Dec 23, 2011.

  1. Davenlr

    Davenlr Geek til I die

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    This isnt a socialist country. Corporations can charge whatever they want, as long as its not during a natural disaster.

    I am more concerned with the oil companies prices than I am $5 a month to DirecTv and FOX. The price of a tank of gas, and food has risen much faster.

    Vote with your wallet. I set a max price of $100/mo for DirecTv. I drop receivers, downgrade my extras every year to keep it at $100. So far I have dropped Sunday Ticket, then two years later, MLB Extra Innings, then the Sports Pak. This year I dropped from Ultimate to Choice Xtra. When it gets to the point where I cant get the channels I watch daily (vs the ones I might watch once a month) for $100 a month, then Ill drop subscription TV altogether.

    If enough people drop stuff, they will get the message. Congress doesnt even need to get involved. They are for the big corporations ripping off the little guy anyway :)
     
  2. AnonomissX

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    I for one am actually excited to see what the "entertainment" package brings. When I worked for Directv, a great deal of people who subscribed were there for the sports packages. My own family finally got their own subscription, because I refused to subscribe to Sunday Ticket, as they would conveniently forget to compensate me for it :hurah:

    Now, I have moved, and in my new home, we don't care at all for sports. So an entertainment package would be great for my needs. I hope this means that Directv is seeing that a small subsection of customers is not there for the sports, so they can keep them as customers with a no-sports package, rather than lose their fees each month all together.

    Also...when comparing wage increases with cost of living and expenditure increases...the ONLY apples to apples comparison is to go with percentages. "It's just a few dollars" is how you (ok I) get in financial trouble in the first place...
     
  3. Shades228

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    Entertainment package won't have RSN's or national sports channels that are specialized i.e.. Big 10, ESPNU, NFL/NHL, Big 10, Sportmans and ESPNews.

    As far as where I would cut if I had to I would rather cut out a non healthy snack once a week than give up on entertainment but that's just me.
     
  4. Davenlr

    Davenlr Geek til I die

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    I really liked the SELECT package (The 44.99 one, not the retention one) when I had it, but had to upgrade to get the Golf channel. If it wasnt for the Golf channel, I would be perfectly content with SELECT. Of course, since SELECT doesnt quality for free HD, by the time you add on the $10 for HD, you are almost up to CHOICE anyway. And Im betting Entertainment wont quality for free HD either.
     
  5. AnonomissX

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    Am paying for HD now, so I'm waiting to see how the dust settles with the entertainment package. I've been paying for HBO to keep my brother happy, but when he upgrades to a 4G phone...he is going to get access to my Netflix, and I will drop HBO and that extra cost :)
     
  6. davidpo

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    Well im thinking if the price increases for 5 more years theres gonna be alotof people bak on ota. There has to be a breaking point for lots of people. We are getting fee'd to death by all companies. Directv slaps a fee for whdvr,hd fee, and I'm sure as soon as they can think of more we will get em.
     
  7. MysteryMan

    MysteryMan Well-Known Member DBSTalk Club

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    Being a film buff I have a extensive DVD library. This allows me to have my personal menu of film categories to choose from. Say your in the mood for a certain type of movie (western, scifi, ect.) but there arn't any being broadcast. Having your own film library resolves your desire. Also, the more you watch a movie the more you notice things you didn't see or hear with the initial viewing. Then there's the fun of looking for the hidden "Easter Eggs" that come with a lot of DVDs.
     
  8. Joe C

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    Link ?
     
  9. Glen_D

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    I'm betting Entertainment won't qualify for free HD either, which would be a deal-breaker for me. In fact, Choice XTRA is currently the minimum package that qualifies for free HD, at least for new customers.
     
  10. ffemtreed

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    Absolutely spot on! The last thing this country needs is congress making more laws and starting more investigations. Consumers just need to speak through their wallets. If they don't like the product or price being offered by a company they need to close up their wallet a bit and let that company know why they are closing the wallet.

    Our prices probably would be a lot lower if there wasn't so much govt red tape involved in running big corporations.
     
  11. TBlazer07

    TBlazer07 Grumpy Grampy

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    I'd bet you're right which would make it only a net savings of $3 from Choice Extra w/free HD.
     
  12. zimm7778

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    Because some of us believe a corporation can charge whatever it feels like charging since its a free country and you are not forced to have this service, ie having it is not a right. I am seriously considering cutting it off myself. Follow that example. Not asking congress to get involved in something that is none of their business.
     
  13. lparsons21

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    I just did a quick config, Choice is the current minimum package for free HD for new customers, not Choice XTRA.
     
  14. ChicagoBlue

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    What do you people want DTV to do? They don't have a wireless business to absorb margin hits. They don't have a broadband business to do it either. They are the premier video provider for a reason, they do it best from a national perspective.

    Their programming costs are going up 10% a year (similar to what is happening to Comcast, TWC, Fios, etc) but they are passing on only 4% increases to you to stay competitive. So what does that mean for DTV? MARGIN COMPRESSION.

    It seems some of you want everything for free or to pay very little. Others are asking questions like "what do I get for that 4% increase". Ask DTV that same question, what does DTV get from ESPN's rate increases? HBO's rate increases? FOX's rate increases? If anything, at least DTV is trying to add more value with things like the streaming on the iPad app, launching new satellites, adding more channels (even if they are not the ones YOU want), launching new products. The content providers are still delivering the same stuff (yes, content goes up in price also) but even higher rate increases.

    When margin compresson happens, it means less profits. Less profits means less R&D, less cool new stuff, less satellites being launched or more streamlined versions, etc, etc.

    The idea of pinning a rate increase to what inflation is or how much your raise was is puzzling. They have nothing to do with each other. I'm sure it makes people feel better with their arguments, but they mean absolutely nothing. When FOX was asking for a 40% increase this year, did any of you get a 40% raise? Of course not. Yet DTV had to come to a deal because the same folks here that are screaming about a price increase were screaming they would leave if DTV didn't get a deal done with FOX. Talk about ironic.

    If you want DTV to continue to innovate, continue to add services and be the best television option, then you're going to have to understand the realities of the business world.

    Today's Forbes had a good writeup about the reality of what is going on with DIRECTV and others. Here is the key line:

    “DirecTV now faces a critical dilemma in the U.S.,” he writes. “Cable operators are offsetting declining video margins with rapid gains in the much higher margin broadband business. DirecTV faces the same rising programming costs, but has no analogous outlet. The company is therefore faced with an unappetizing choice. Stay competitive by accepting the inevitable decline in margins… or raise prices to preserve margins and, in the process, become less and less attractive to price-conscious consumers.”

    When ESPN bids billions for Monday Night Football, they don't pay for it. The distributors and advertisers pay for it. When NBC bids billions for the Olympics, the distributors and advertisers pay for it. When HBO sinks $200 million into a series, the distributors pay for it. If you want content, you're going to have to pay for it.
     
  15. lparsons21

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    Actually I think most people understand the reasons behind the rate increase, but OTOH, their pay isn't keeping up. Employers aren't giving pay raises for those that actually do work, only for those that sit in the ivory towers.

    The gov't tells us that inflation wasn't there for 2 years, and this past one was only 3.6% or so, yet our lying eyes told us that was bogus everytime we filled car with gas or bought food. The gov't told us that because many things in gov't are keyed to COLA and they don't want to pay more out to us ex-worker drones. After twiddling that for many years to keep the raises down, now they want to change the formula to make it even more difficult to see raises. And that isn't Republican vs Democrat issue, that is just our politicos taking care of their real bosses.

    Excuse my rant please!! :)
     
  16. ffemtreed

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    I think you are making a lot of assumptions on what content providers are getting paid. Unless you have inside access, none of us know the details of these agreements. Did the programming costs really go up 10% last year? Just because the programming cost might have went up 10% that doesn't mean much, how was overall revenue last year? Did more people order more PPV to offset the cost therefore not cutting into profits at all? Did more people pay the HD fee? Did the advertisers also increase their payments to DTV? million different aspects of the businsess to single out line items. BOTTOM line is DTV had record profits last year when you factor all aspects of the business. They aren't taking any cuts in the margin.


    You also said DTV isn't getting anything more from Fox and whomever, but in the past few years DTV has gotten more from them, like HD feeds, rights to distribute on demand, rights to stream to mobile devices, right for the to go programming (NOMAD). So there is something in there for everyone.

    I don't think anyone here is tying their earnings to what increase should be, I do see a lot of people saying they need to weight the cost benefit of having DTV or not so having these large increases like that during the down economy might not be the best business move in the long run for DTV. People struggling are evaluating every dime they spend.

    That article you pointed out pretty much said what I said earlier, that DTV's current business model is a losing proposition compared to other providers. I have a feeling the content providers are trying to cut out he middle men (like DTV, Dishnetwork, FIOS and etc) and use IP tv to distribute it themselves. I think they are getting companies like netflix to be their guinea pig to make online streaming popular and work out all the details before they crush them with price increases. Why do you think comcast was SO hard up to get NBC??????? Comcrap knows which direction this thing is going.
     
  17. harsh

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    Is that the one where they fired a plasma cannon on their own foot with the "breakup" or the one where they're in a pissing match with HBO?

    The movie theaters are still doing a yeoman's job of keeping Netflix in business with their astronomical rates but if Netflix doesn't get ahold of the tiller, they're going to jibe again.
     
  18. Mike Greer

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    Can't keep going the way it's going. I'm in the 'why do I pay so much for so little' camp. We watch the networks, Showtime and maybe 3 other channels. I suspect the masses are a lot the same way. For the insane amount we pay every month it is just isn't worth it. Not a matter of 'if' we can pay but 'why'.

    Except for Sunday Ticket it would only be a minor inconvenience to just bag it and got OTA with Tivo and pocket $100 bucks or so a month. I'd say there is a pretty good chance that in the not too distant future I'll be able to stream Showtime - bypassing DirecTV all together. I can already do Sunday Ticket with a PS3....

    I'm afraid DirecTV and Dish Network are just not going to be able to survive - at least not at their current profit levels. God help them if other providers come up with a decent DVR!
     
  19. tigerwillow1

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    Maybe some are asking "why do I have to pay more for ESPN when I don't want it and never watch it?" Maybe DirecTV isn't the "bad guy" here, but they strike the deal with the content providers. The only way the consumer can send a message to the content provider is via D*, and yes, being in the middle they will suffer. For whatever reason, D* chose to force almost every customer to pay for channels they don't care about, and they have to live with the consequences of that decision. Those that watch a lot of TV think D* is a great value and those that think otherwise are cheapskates. Those that watch only a few channels think they are getting fleeced and the others are spendthrifts. D* might have to figure out how to please both types of customers to survive in the long term.
     
  20. Glen_D

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    Hmmm. Not what I'm seeing.

    When I go to DirecTV's website, it states: "Free HD in every room with auto bill pay. CHOICE XTRA package or above".

    Maybe the offers vary, depending on territory?
     

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