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New HDGUI and the DVR's SD outputs

Discussion in 'DIRECTV HD DVR/Receiver Discussion' started by bishoph, Dec 6, 2011.

  1. Feb 6, 2012 #281 of 314
    Church AV Guy

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    I don't think this is exactly correct. My television will display embedded closed captions using component inputs, at least, at some resolutions. The HR22s do not put the captioning data out the component connections at all, at least, my television does not see any captioning data from these connections. It MAY be true that the Monoprice component to composite downconverter does not processs the embedded captioning infomation, but if it isn't there to start with, there is NO chance that it will end up in the composite or S-Video output.

    With such a long on-screen persistance that it makes using SD almost impossible. With every fast-forward or skip button-press, the message comes up for twenty-five seconds (or so). I don't mind not having the guide or other on screen information, like the progress bar, but the persistance of that message is completely unacceptable. If they would provide an option to inhibit it, that would work out ok for me, but NO, they won't!:(:mad:

    ANd then I get to see my television shows in SD rather than HD! That is not an acceptable alternative! It was a programming decision by DirecTV, they can easily change it--THAT is the acceptable solution!
     
  2. Feb 6, 2012 #282 of 314
    Christopher Gould

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    This is not the way it works with mine. Hold exit goes 480p hold again 1080i.
     
  3. Feb 7, 2012 #283 of 314
    allenn

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    Mine too. I did find that if you do not Exit from 480p, then you have to re-set all the formats to get 720 and 1080 back.
     
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    moghedien

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  5. Feb 7, 2012 #285 of 314
    Church AV Guy

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    You misunderstand. The recording is not on my DVD recorder, it's on my HR22. I am playing back a recording from the HR22 ONTO the DVD recorder. Playing back my DVDs does not involve my HR22s, or DirecTV at all. While I am recording to the DVD recorder from the HR22, every time I encounter a commercial break, I fast-forward through it. This brings up the twenty second warning screen, making it very difficult to make recordings. The alternatives you have listed (which I quoted) are the only ones available to me, and neither is acceptable. I am NOT blaming you, I'm blaming DirecTV for a decision they have made in the programming of their DVRs, a programming decision that appears to be deliberately malicious.

    If I want to watch a program in HD--which I do! then I have the twenty second warning go onto my recording (which as you say, is using the SD outputs) which I don't want. If I set the HR22 to SD, I avoid the warning screen, but then I am watching an SD picture on my 55" HDTV, which is also unacceptable. I can use the component to composite downconverter, but then the embedded closed captioning data is lost since it isn't included in the component output video stream. I can turn the captioning ON with the HR22, but then the captioning is not embedded, but visible all the time, obscuring part of the picture; and once it's recorded that way, it cannot be turned off when later viewing the DVDs.

    This was not a problem with the old GUI, but impossible with the new one. I just got the next update to the GUI last evening, and the SD warning banner is still there, and still twenty seconds in persistance.:( If I could just disable that warning screen, it would be okay with me. I don't want to record the GUI information on my DVDs, just the program information, but certainly NOT the warning screen! After the first or second time it appears, we are aware of the issue, let us disable it please!
     
  6. NewForceFiveFan

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    Ok, I had the chance last friday night to play with the HR24 in the basement. Both the HD-DVR and dvd recorder are connected via hdmi cable even though the connection between the hddvr and dvd recorder is composite (480i/480p).

    HDMI 1: hddvr
    HDMI 2: dvd recorder

    When pressing Guide on Remote hdmi1 displays the guide with mini video window and hdmi2 displays the "press exit" nag screen over fullscreen video before disappearing after a few seconds if you flip between the two inputs on the tv. This annoyance also effects what the Info, List, Play, Pause, FF, RW buttons put oncreen. In order to see the the stuff while watching on the dvd recorder you do have to press-and-hold Exit on remote to engage or disengage 480p. What a pain in the ass and just makes an extra step when going to burn something to dvd. Yes you could in theory keep swapping between hdmi1 and hdmi2 but that's even more asinine. They should've just made the new HDGUI output at both HD and SD at the same time for people with setups like this.
     
  7. joed32

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    I leave most of my units in SD so it's easy to record to DVDR from them. They still record programming in HD. When I watch something from one of them using Whole Home from a unit that is set to 1080i I do get it in HD.
     
  8. HerntDawg

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    After reading the first 2 pages of posts, I could do without the HD GUI.

    For no reason other reason than it is no improvement.
     
  9. CCarncross

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    When working correctly, its a vast improvement. Thats why some of us are scratching our heads trying to figure out why some are not seeing the improvements the rest of us are seeing.:scratchin
     
  10. JonW

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    A vast improvement at what?

    Not updating the SD overlay lets the unit draw the screen faster, but it doesn't eliminate the time it takes to build the screen in the first place.

    I've already discovered a sure fire way to speed up my HR20-700: just disconnect it from everything.

    If it doesn't have to be bothered recording programs, downloading guide information, filling dual buffers, or communicating over the LAN, it's a downright speed-demon even with a 2TB hard drive.
     
  11. Church AV Guy

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    I agree that it is a bit faster, but the colors are harder to read, for me and many others. Since the latest update, not only have all three of my DVRs returned to being incredibly, tortuously slow, they have eliminated two functions that many of us here used frequently, the PIG control, and the doube dash function. Add to that, the incredible SD output USELESS nag message, it seems to some of us that DirecTV is eliminating useful features. What improvements exactly are you thinking about?
     
  12. NewForceFiveFan

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    Personally I like the colors and it's easier to read and the guide does run faster, at least for me on my HR24's. What is a PIG control and the double dash function? I think I wouldn't be so annoyed with the hdgui if the spare tv with the dvd recorder was a standard definition tube job but it's an hdtv. If it was a stand alone bluray recorder with hd inputs and outputs this wouldn't be an issue.
     
  13. nowandthen

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    Once open the guide scrolls faster, but big deal. My two HR22s are so slow now, don't know why, seems to take forever for the guide or list to come up. And every time a program starts or stops recording the tV screen goes blank for a few seconds. :confused:

    I too don't see the advantage of the HD Guide. Pretty much same look, but different colors, oh you get some pretty cover art here and there but I rarely open the menu locations that show that stuff.

    I too would like to see trick play return to the PIG.
     
  14. allenn

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    The SD message can be eliminated with a component to composite converter which is an acceptable work-around. The HD-UI Menu, Guide, and List look better to my older eyes than the previous SD version. I do not like the slow RF remote response and the audio drop-outs when switching from SD to DD5.1. Media Share sucks. It would be nice to see Media Share fixed. My guess that hell will freeze over before any firmware is error free!
     
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    Not to those of us who record to DVD because it degrades the signal quality.
    It also doesn't work for someone who already uses those outputs for other purposes (ie. Slingbox, or an older HDTV with no HDMI inputs)
     
  16. NewForceFiveFan

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    I get a kick out of how my Toshiba dvd recorder was manufactured in February 2011 but only has Composite and S-Video inputs for recording to dvd but it has hdmi, component, composite, and s-video outputs and can output on component in 480i or 480p and on hdmi in 480p, 720p, 1080i, or 1080p. Would it really have cost more to put in a second hdmi (for input) and an HD-to-SD chip in addition to the SD-to-HD. Can't wait till hdmi is the norm for input/output and all the other obsoletes go away.
     
  17. joed32

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    It's against the law in this country. Hollywood has seen to that. HDMI and/or Component inputs on your DVD recorder and it would still only record in SD but it would help us in this instance to get rid of the nag screen. But they will not allow that.
     
  18. RunnerFL

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    Not true. Any DVD Recorder that happens to have component inputs, and there are very very few, will record in HD. Also my HDPVR records in HD (h.264) via the component inputs.
     
  19. Laxguy

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    Are you asserting that it's legal to now manufacture units or sell them in the US that have HDMI In? Or even Component?
     
  20. RunnerFL

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    No, I'm not. I'm only saying that on existing units that have that input it is possible to record HD (h.264).
     

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