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New HDGUI and the DVR's SD outputs

Discussion in 'DIRECTV HD DVR/Receiver Discussion' started by bishoph, Dec 6, 2011.

  1. Laxguy

    Laxguy Honi Soit Qui Mal Y Pense.

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    Fair enough. It was only that the chain of statements might make some think that the "Not true" pertained to the future availability of component or HDMI on recording units.

    Thanks, Hollywoodville!
     
  2. MISpat

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    I think you're thinking of only computer devices for recording from component inputs. The DVD recorders which had component inputs only recorded in SD. They do however allow you to record the full widescreen picture from most cable boxes. I had a Polaroid recorder specifically for this reason... to convert component to S-video so that I could record widescreen programs into my preferred Panasonic recorder.
    In fact, I got DirecTV just so that I could eliminate that in between device. Worked great until the HDGUI... now they want me to incorporate a device in between once again.
     
  3. RunnerFL

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    Nope, I've seen at least 2 models that record in h.264.
     
  4. Church AV Guy

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    As far as I know, and I have done a lot of research on the subject, no standalone DVD type of recorder that has been marketed and sold in the United States, has had HD recording capability. A few could record in HD from camcorders. A few had component inputs, but they would only record in SD resolution, not HD. None, ever had an HDMI input. Maybe some made for, and marketed in, other markets (Hong Kong) have this capability, but not any made for the U.S. market--that I know of.

    RunnerFL, if you know of such a device, please tell me the make and model of the machine(s), and I'll pass the info along to the AVS DVD recorder forum, where many of us have been eagerly waiting for such a device, and have even sent letters to manufacturers of SD devices asking them to make a BR HD recorder for us.
     
  5. Shades228

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    The analog loophole is closed so any new products created will have HDMI and will have to support HDCP which will not allow recording. The bottom line is that the people who make this program don't want you doing this and are making it harder and harder to do. You're also making it harder on yourself by removing commercials in the recording rather than just ffing through them on the dvd. If you did that you wouldn't have the issues you're having with the popup message.
     
  6. Davenlr

    Davenlr Geek til I die

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    You can pretty much thank the MPAA for the total lack of any HDMI removable media recordings. There are workarounds, but they all involve using a computer.
     
  7. RunnerFL

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    The ones I saw were very early models and not made anymore. One was a Panasonic and I want to say the other was an LG.
     
  8. allenn

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    I would not be surprised if HDMI was the only out port on future DVR's. The film industry does not want you to copy media. The movie producers have tried many kinds of DRM with little success, but their latest iteration, CINAVIA, is not breakable. Many studios are embedding this into motion picture audio. Any copied movies including BluRay discs will block audio from being played. Sony's PS3 and many BluRay players contain CINAVIA DRM. D* is sure to add this protection to their content and hardware. What's the world coming to?
     
  9. Davenlr

    Davenlr Geek til I die

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    Wont take long.

    No viable copy to HTPC server .... No buy discs. If they think Im going back to the '90's and looking at a hard copy list of my movies, hunting for the disc, and putting it in a player...they are smoking crack.
     
  10. MISpat

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    That's the point at which I'd no longer have any use for pay TV.
    And the sad thing is, people make perfect copies of their damn movies all the freakin' time using computers, so they aren't preventing ANYTHING! The only thing they will prevent are people like me who want to record sports and other TV shows, not movies.
     
  11. allenn

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    Yes, in most cases; you can play the videos on a personal computer, but you cannot stream the video to a DRM aware device like the Sony PS3, BluRay players, or TVs. Likewise, if you burn a BluRay disc which contains Cinavia DRM; the video's audio will not play on the device. So far, streaming hacks for Cinavia have failed. Everytime someone jailbreaks DRM, a new protection is invented. It is all about the money. Have a great day!
     
  12. Shades228

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    Why do you think they want you to be able to do this? They make box sets of shows for reasons. I can understand sporting events as most teams don't have box sets of the seasons but overall anything that is going to reduce their revenue they're not going to want to have happen and will do whatever they can to stop it.

    DRM is like a lock on a house. It will stop honest people but those who are truly intend on doing something it won't stop them.

    For Blu-ray next year is the end of component connections and AACS will not be allowed over anything but HDMI. There's nothing making the content providers do the same thing in their boxes as well. They're already requiring DHCP compliance and it wouldn't take much to make it so that you couldn't output HD on component cables either. The new PS3 coming out already enforces this.
     
  13. NewForceFiveFan

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  14. Shades228

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    No but as the case was well before HD was a technology in the home the case does not dictate that it has to be available in all formats. Essentially it would take someone making a new litigation against companies blocking the HDMI copying allowed to get this included with this case or as a new one.

    You can still do what the Betamax case says you just can't do it in high def. They allow you to make SD copies still and there has not been any attempt to block it that I'm aware of for TV purposes.
     

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