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New York Times still printing lies?

Discussion in 'The OT' started by mainedish, Sep 12, 2005.

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  1. n8dagr8

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    I thought the article was written about the rescue where he is helping the lady in the wheel chair down the stairs.

    Video of Geraldo on O'Reilly
     
  2. mainedish

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    The doctor that wasn't at the location? :lol:
     
  3. billpa

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    How do you know that?
     
  4. mainedish

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    I have the video (tivo) of him walking her to the helicopter. Guys , admit it, They lied about this . How about the name of the doctor? How about another witness? How about the person who was with Geraldo? Not just the camera guy.

    The video you need to see it the one of her walking to the helicopter.

    This is more about the left going after Fox News.
     
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    The Salon story is talking about another incident...not the same one that was reported in the NY Times.
     
  6. mainedish

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    Both stories are BS according to the video .

    The Times's TV critic Alessandra Stanley wrote last week that the flamboyant Fox correspondent had "nudged an Air Force rescue worker out of the way so his camera crew could tape him as he helped lift an older woman in a wheelchair to safety."

    Lie .


    And the other rescue was not staged at all. Interesting how nobody has come forward to back up the Salon story, The doctor, The Helicopter pilot, the man who drove the boat .If the salon reporter did a Jayson Blair I wouldn't be surprised at all.
     
  7. billpa

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    Has anyone been asked to back up the Salon story? The doctor quoted in the story has said they took more than one take; how do you know you've seen all the video that's available....you may've only seen the take that was used on the air.
    It's not like Gerlado Rivera has a stellar record on these kinds of things. Infact both the NY Times and Salon have a much better reputation for reporting than does the great Geraldo.
     
  8. mainedish

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    But this is not about Geraldo. It's about Fox News. And I don't believe the NY Times or Salon on this one. They have to prove it and they have yet to do so. Bring just one witness forward.
     
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    Perhaps a first for both Geraldo AND Fox, showboating actually involving a BOAT!!!

    But YIKES! Geraldo and O'Reilly? What a team. If I wasn't an atheist I'd think this was surely a sign of the end times.:eek:

    Perhaps most astounding is Fox has a studio that can contain both their egos.:lol: That place must have its own weather.;)
     
  10. jonstad

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    I skimmed through the video, I just ate!;) But the only "clip" I found was in the woman's apartment. No news truck, ambulance, doctor or helicopter apparent. FWIW, in this video Geraldo WAS carrying a dog.:scratchin
     
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    Do ya think maybe they edited any of that video?

    You have to get this whole news and opinion thing straight. If there was a story about this Geraldo episode on the front page of the Times and they mis-reported something, that would be one thing. It's an entirely different situation if a TV critic in the Style section, or whatever they call it, writes a story about what Geraldo does. It really is a molehill. Except for Geraldo, whose manhood is apparently threatened by someone calling him a showboat. Slightly guilty conscience, maybe? He threatened to settle it with his fists but he can't hit a girl. Didn't you just criticize Sen Mary Landrieau for threatening to punch someone if they criticized the NO police?

    In short, Style section: Great for movie reviews, comics, and TV critics. News pages: It's where the news is.
     
  12. mainedish

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    They have to prove that it happened that way. They printed it.
     
  13. jonstad

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    Christ man! GET OVER IT!!!

    If the Times ran a movie review and misinterpreted something, or misquoted a line, or assumed some intent of the director which he vehemently denies, are they required to apologize or print a retraction? People read things different ways. That is why when YOU review the video, you see nothing but the compassionate Geraldo helping an old lady. Obviously the reporter has no love lost for Geraldo and she saw what she interpreted as "showboating". It's all subjective man! Even Nate confesses Geraldo might have seemed a little too anxious to ensure his mug did not pass from the screen for very long.

    So did Geraldo physically "nudge" the airman out of the way? Probably not. Was his primary intent that it be himself seen carrying the old lady down the stairs sincere concern the airman couldn't handle it? Or was there just a little "showboating" goin on so it would be unmistakable who was the "hero"? Geraldo will swear the former, and I suspect he may actually believe it. But I also suspect it may have been the latter even if it was subliminal to Rivera. After all, it seems to built into his psyche.
     
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    Knowing Jerry, I wouldn't put anything past him. I saw the original video in question. I think it is very debatable as to who is telling the truth. It could go either way from what I could tell. When I posted the link to the series of pictures in another thread the photographer said the media was going for nothing but sensationalism. Fox has always doine this, even though I think their credibility for accuracy stands up with any other network. Cut the sensationalism, the sound effects, the video flash, the chopped speech patterns and they might have credibility with more people.
     
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    Can a lib answer a question with out beating around th bush. You atvman said



    Then you were asked to name just one lie that FOX has broadcasted and you could not. Just more mindless dem BS......
     
  16. mainedish

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    Getting to you huh? :lol: You guys are so funny.

    Democrats post. :hurah:
    Republicans win.
     
  17. Bogy

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    Jerry is in New Orleans? I didn't know Al Capone had a vault there.
     
  18. n8dagr8

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    Sorry about that, I should have warned you that the "good stuff" was at the end. I guess I kinda knew that making you guys watch O'Reilly would get you feeling slightly dirty, too. :D
     
  19. Bogy

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    N8, you may not believe this, but there are times I actually agree with him. Of course then he goes on talking and that feeling goes away. :lol:
     
  20. DonLandis

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    Having worked in TV production as a cameraman I can assure people that most if not all these top gun reporters will do a setup. Little is spontaneous. This does not mean that Geraldo is a selfish pig and doesn't care, that it's all for show. It means that he will do or try to "kill two birds with one stone." Here's a personal example-
    I was doing some sunken ship recon off our coast, diving inside the engine room. This was a ship that was intentionally sunk as an artificial reef about 4 years earlier. The recon was for research data collection. I had my U/W video rig with me. I discovered a sea turtle about 2-3 ft. in diameter so he was pretty old all tangled up in monofilament line and was struggling to get free to get to the surface to get some air. My first instinct was to begin cutting him loose with my hook knife but quickly came to my "journalistic senses" and stopped, grabbed my camera, turned on the two big flood lights and propped it in the corner with tape rolling. Maybe it took me 30 seconds more. The turtle was still struggling. I finished cutting the turtle loose and then guided him up through a hole in the ceiling that led to open water. I swam back into the room after releasing the turtle, picked up my camera and followed the turtle to the surface where I continued to document that he had survived. That few minutes of video was sold to several networks and appeared on a Ted Danson PBS special on the environment. The point is, reporters will often try to take advantage of a situation if they can do so without harm. In my case, I trusted my experience with marine life and how much time I had based on the degree of struggling. But, I suppose I could have just come back with an eyewitness account rather than the video to prove it. Somehow, I believe I got more satisfaction, not just in the wallet, by documenting the rescue on tape. The video was also donated to various NPO's for use in showing the effects of monofilament line on our reefs. When I see stuff like this, I feel pretty certain, his producer and maybe him, including his cameraman, all work to create a great story. I doubt he was out on his own but simply butting in a rescuer's job for the story. At the end of the day, the point is made that while most of the time reporters do not get involved with the story, some choose to become the story. That is where a reporter crosses the line. In what I saw, Rivera doing what he did was not trying to become the story but rather show the difficulty everyone is going through. So, let's ask, if next month Rivera is back in the middle east, will he pick up an M-16 and help return fire on the enemy to show how it really is? I think it depends on how trapped in he becomes. I wouldn't put it past him. In journalism, when a reporter is the story, he has crossed the line.
     
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