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News Corp to end Speed and Fuel Channels, convert them to Fox Sports

Discussion in 'DIRECTV Programming' started by mitchflorida, Feb 10, 2013.

  1. Feb 10, 2013 #41 of 133
    James Long

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    There is nothing wrong with those numbers. If you believe there is a problem with the numbers prove otherwise.
    If you cannot prove otherwise why not work with the numbers we have?
     
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    studechip

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    The definition of irony.
     
  3. Feb 10, 2013 #43 of 133
    Hoosier205

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    Can you back that up? No. They are estimates and we do not know what the rate is from one provider to another.
     
  4. Feb 10, 2013 #44 of 133
    James Long

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    Moving on ...
     
  5. Feb 10, 2013 #45 of 133
    Hoosier205

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    :)
     
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    James,

    Welcome to what is the daily mosquito attack in an otherwise enjoyable getaway destination.
     
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    studechip

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  8. Feb 10, 2013 #48 of 133
    James Long

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    So, a respected industry source is reporting the cost of ESPN at $5.06, Speed at 22c and Fuel at 15c and no contrary information has been provided (the National Cable & Telecommunications Association reports $5.13 but I am not picky over 7c). The Reuters article reports from their source a desire to have Fox Sports 1 rate be 90c to $1 ... which is a 300 to 350% increase.

    Will the sports added to Fox Sports 1 make it worth the price increase? Or is any sports channel sold for $1 or less a bargain in today's cable/satellite environment?
     
  9. Feb 10, 2013 #49 of 133
    SPACEMAKER

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    Ignore feature doesn't work when people quote him, though.
     
  10. Feb 10, 2013 #50 of 133
    Hoosier205

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    Again, information for those interested in the topic rather than personal attacks:

     
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    Without knowing the exact costs, these estimates are just a guy making a guess...which could mean: garbage in = garbage out. What does it matter anyway? They could be close, or the could be way off. NO ONE KNOWS...at least here on this board as the agreements are not public knowledge. Wall Street ESTIMATES ESPN brought in 11 billion for Disney. Estimates again, because they dont break it out. Now, how do you break that out for each channel and ad revenue for the ESPN network of channels? More estimating...more estimating = more margin of error. The truth is that the general public will likely never know exact costs.
     
  12. Feb 10, 2013 #52 of 133
    Hoosier205

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    Now stop making sense! :) Let's not even mention that SNL Kagan even acknowledges that they are estimates. Oops... :)
     
  13. Feb 10, 2013 #53 of 133
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    <Moderator note>While talking costs is very much a reasonable part of this discussion, each other is not. Please be polite and don't talk about each other. I have had to delete posts and quotes of posts.

    Thank you,
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  14. Feb 10, 2013 #54 of 133
    James Long

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    SNL Kagan is not a guy ...
    SNL Kagan provides financial and operational information and exclusive insight that isn't available from any other source. Generated by the same industry experts the networks themselves trust for custom valuations, business plans and M&A deal appraisal.

    Developed over the course of more than 40 years, SNL Kagan's unique process for compiling TV networks data includes surveys, interviews with top management and involvement at key industry events. SNL Kagan combines intelligence from each individual network and builds aggregated data from the bottom up.
    http://www.snl.com/Sectors/Media/TVNetworks.aspx
    SNL Kagan has a 40 year reputation to protect and they are the best source for information that anyone has provided.



    Now ...
    Based on the articles linked, it appears that Fox has enough sports to fill Fox Sports 1 and overflow to Fox Sports 2. I am surprised to read that they are only asking 90c to $1 for Fox Sports 1. Perhaps they are asking for other concessions (better tier placement, placement of FS1 and FS2 next to each other in the channel listing, online/download content, etc) along with the reported 90c to $1.

    If the content pans out I don't see $1 as a problem.
     
  15. Feb 10, 2013 #55 of 133
    Tom Robertson

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    Adding to one of James' points, if satelliteracer points to a source, it might be a hint that the source's estimates are pretty reliable, without being able to say so directly... :)

    Peace,
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  16. Feb 11, 2013 #56 of 133
    Hoosier205

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    They are not using a strategy of overflow from FOX Sports 1 to FOX Sports 2.
     
  17. Feb 11, 2013 #57 of 133
    James Long

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    True. Since the channels do not exist yet they are not following that strategy.

    But from the Dallas News article you quoted:
    We will find out what happens when they have rights to competing events once that occurs ... and once the channels are up as FS1 and FS2.

    (Note: My use of FS1 and FS2 designators are unofficial and should not be taken as the official names for the future networks.)
     
  18. Feb 11, 2013 #58 of 133
    Hoosier205

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    Yes, considering that is not how they have discussed handling the two channels.
     
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    James Long

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    Based on the articles they have enough content to do so. That is all I said. I did not say that they would or would not follow that strategy, only that they would have enough content to do so (based on the articles).
     
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    Look for a large college basketball deal to be announced soon from the schools leaving the Big East.
     

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