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NewsMix Channel 352 - No More

Discussion in 'DIRECTV Programming' started by SomeRandomIdiot, Nov 27, 2012.

  1. Nov 30, 2012 #81 of 214
    joed32

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    Who is Dave?
     
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    Laxguy

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    In addition to focus groups, DIRECTV® can (most likely) poll how many are tuned in to a given channel at any one time as well as over time.

    On the other side of the coin, FB rants and boo-hoos mean next to nothing unless 5,000 users post.
     
  3. Nov 30, 2012 #83 of 214
    HarleyD

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    Funny thing, on the Audience network last night immediately after Nick & Artie a DirecTV vs. Dish commercial ran that prominently featured clips from the News Mix channel. The clips even showed the words "News Mix".

    I know...probably an old ad that hasn't worked its' way out of rotation yet but it made me chuckle.
     
  4. Nov 30, 2012 #84 of 214
    fleckrj

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    You might have stumbled on the reason why it was pulled. Viewers were able to watch a network that they were not subscrived to. If you were not subscrived to the network, then I am pretty sure that DirecTV was not paying Fox for you to watch it. Fox probably discovered that viewers were watching the channel through a back door (in this case, the NewsMix channel) and either demanded that the NewsMix channel be pulled or they be paid for all who receive the NewsMix channel instead of just being paid for those who subscribe to the tier on which Fox Business Network was available.

    For fair balance (and not to blame Fox unnecessarily) were there other news channels on the NewsMix that are not abailable in the lowest tier that received the NewsMix? If so, it might have been one of them that forced DirecTV to either pay up or take down NewsMix. I never watched it, so I do not know which channels were available.
     
  5. Nov 30, 2012 #85 of 214
    tonyd79

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    All they'd have to do is pull that channel from the mix or make the mix part of a higher tier.

    Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar. Maybe they just decided it isn't worth the bandwidth. They do have an SD squeeze.
     
  6. Nov 30, 2012 #86 of 214
    ben 11

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    OK - what about a petition?
     
  7. Nov 30, 2012 #87 of 214
    ben 11

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    I think that the networks involved didn't like being compared and have exerted some type of pressure on DTV

    OR

    DTV got the idea that tracking subscribers viewing habits and gathering info for which numbered news channel were being viewed (if you were tuned into the actual channel instead of newsmix) was impossible to do with the newsmix channel.
     
  8. Nov 30, 2012 #88 of 214
    Hoosier205

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    Petitions are pointless. Especially when there is no way to qualify which signees are actually subscribers or if they feel strongly enough to make changes to their service. I have personally dealt with hundreds of petitions from many thousands of people and they are never taken seriously.
     
  9. Nov 30, 2012 #89 of 214
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    Checking the latest TPN map shows the current transponder loading of News Mix's former assignment on tp. 15 of the DIRECTV 8 bird at 101 is only 9 SD channels now.

    From studying the maps it seems that the current maximum TV channel loading for DIRECTV's SD/Ku transponders is 14. Therefore even if a Mix channel requires two slots there is still more than enough room available to keep NM up.

    So who knows the real reasons here for NM's takedown? ... :whatdidid
     
  10. Nov 30, 2012 #90 of 214
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    In addition to the SD channel, the Mix channels also require 8 audio feeds and embedded data to power the interactive features, so it's a little more than the average SD channel with one or two audio feeds would take.

    The Conus tab just lists the channels that are live 24/7. It doesn't list part time feeds used by RSN alternates or sports packages like Sunday Ticket, ESPN Game Plan and ESPN Full Court where the actual transponder and VPID used by each individual channel varies from game to game and at all other times they just go to the standby channel with the DirecTV logo. There's also channels in testing and push content feeds.

    As for the feed used by News Mix, if you have last week's sheet saved, compare the VPID for it (0078) to the Hybrid listing on this week's sheet that lists channels in testing and you'll see what's physically going to take its place starting Monday. (Hint: They bring in money for DirecTV)
     
  11. Nov 30, 2012 #91 of 214
    ben 11

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    That may be your personal experience.

    It has not been mine.
     
  12. Nov 30, 2012 #92 of 214
    HoTat2

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    Oh, I see;

    Good catch ...

    Not sure how a "Mix Channel E" fits into the picture any longer, but it looks like two SD Infomecial channels are coming for NM's replacement, each remapped on two channels. Ch. 89 and 325 for one and 99 and 321 for the other.

    Wow ... just what I always wanted, money maker for DIRECTV notwithstanding ... :rolleyes:

    [TABLE]Sat.|Pos.|TPN|VPID|Ch. Type|Ch.
    D8|101W|15|0082|Infomercial Channel|89
    D8|101W|15|0078|Infomercial Channel|99
    D8|101W|15|0078|Infomercial Channel|321
    D8|101W|15|0082|Infomercial Channel|325
    D8|101W|15|0078|Mix Channel E|8404[/TABLE]
     
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    Where would one find these mapping sheets?
     
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    Hoosier205

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    That has been my professional experience from within a line of work that sees petitions far more than any other.

    How so?
     
  16. Nov 30, 2012 #96 of 214
    LDighera

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    Thank you for the information.

    I got to thinking about the fact that I currently receive two PBS channels in SD that carry exactly the same content, and PBS is available in HD 100 miles south, so PBS HD is definitely on the satellite. So I called DirecTV customer support, and after wading through the voice menu system, and finally reaching a live agent who was unable to assist me in any meaningful way, and requesting to speak with her supervisor, and waiting for a very long time, I was finally in contact with someone with a bit more knowledge and power.

    She said that my local government dictates which channels I am permitted to receive, and to take my issue to them. She was unable to tell me who to contact specifically, but at least I've got a clue now about how to research the matter.

    Before disconnecting with her, I mentioned the loss of the NewsMix channel, and to make a long story short, she credited me with a ~$60.00/month billing credit for one year! So, while I didn't get either of my issues resolved, I'm feeling a lot better. :)

    Does anyone have any information about which Santa Barbara County office to contact about receiving PBS in HD?

    Thanks.
     
  17. Nov 30, 2012 #97 of 214
    TMan

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    Oh come on. I doubt she gave you $720 for the loss of News Mix.
     
  18. Nov 30, 2012 #98 of 214
    inkahauts

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    Dtv needs to pick up Santa Barbra PBS station in Hi Definition. There is nothing else to be discussed to be honest.
     
  19. Nov 30, 2012 #99 of 214
    ben 11

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    In general, if one wants to discuss petitioning, there's an argument that could be made either way - but it is part of a democratic process (petitioning the government, etc). And I think quantitative vs. qualitative petitioning also has a meritorious place in such a discussion.

    I wish that I had the time to get into the weeds on those points.

    Suffice to say that I may have less experience with petitions of the type you are referring to and perhaps more with politically directed petitions. Regardless, I have mainly seen influence in petitioning and have participated in several that have given voice to an otherwise tone-deaf status quo.

    How that plays out against a corporate behemoth like DTV, one never knows unless they try. I don't have the ability to exercise stock options or fund huge petition drives or exercise my power on the board of a venture capitalist group.

    I can only ask people to participate without discouragement by telling them I have seen such influence from the bottom up rather than the top down.

    After all, it is the present political Zeitgeist in this country after seeing the results of the last political cycle - the kind of thing that went ignored by one political philosophy at their own peril.
     
  20. Hoosier205

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    Apparently not, given that my decades of experience exist in direct relation to petitions of a political nature. From within the belly of the beast.

    Regardless of that, the petition posted within this thread will not accomplish much of anything. There would be no realistic way for people within DirecTV's ranks to verify how many of its participants were actual customers or what their tangible level of dissatisfaction is. They were fully aware of how popular the news mix was prior to removing it. They have their reasons for discontinuing it either temporarily or permanently. A business decision was made and no amount of random petitioning is going to change that.

    There is nothing wrong with people expressing their concerns, but let's be realistic about methods and potential impact.
     

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