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NHL Center Ice 2010-11

Discussion in 'DIRECTV Programming' started by stoutman, Jul 10, 2010.

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  1. wallybarthman

    wallybarthman Godfather

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    There's a "Versus Exclusive" which is a national telecast

    Then there's a "Versus Exclusive Window" which is a time period during no other game can be broadcast by a U.S. company except the game on Versus.

    As noted - not every Versus broadcast is a Versus exclusive window.
     
  2. wallybarthman

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    That's just weird - next Monday is definitely not a Versus exclusive window - although next Tuesday may be one. If you look on the NHL Schedule all that games are being broadcast, something got goofed up with DirecTV.
     
  3. psuscott0483

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    does anyone have a link to all the versus exclusive windows this season?
     
  4. CBMC

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    Yeah, just go to the NHL Schedule on nhl.com and you can get a pretty good idea of what nights are versus exclusives. Tuesday, November 30th, there is a Coyotes vs. Predators game that is not being broadcast at all. I think the Blues vs. Blackhawks is the "exclusive" game @ that time. There is also two games on Dec. 21st that have no tv broadcast because of a Capitals vs. Devils game. I am not sure if these "exclusive" games are always on the same day of the week? They aren't every week, but seem to come on Tuesdays (early in the year) and Mondays (later in the year). I do wish that I could find something that would explain exactly what the "exclusive" broadcast entails. It seems that there is about a 1 hour window around the start time of the VS. game that other games cannot be broadcast (in the US), but all this is just from observation, not written fact. I also wonder how much control US teams have of picking start times for these dates to avoid Vs. exclusive windows, since alot of these games seem to involve at least one Canadian team. I don't think Versus is advertising the "exclusive" thing too much (hence, why it is so hard to find specific information). "Instead of watching your local team you get to watch another Capitals game".
     
  5. dvdmth

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    Versus exclusive windows, in years past, have generally been on Tuesdays at the start of the year, switching to Mondays at about the end of the NFL regular season (no competition with MNF). They used to mark the games as "exclusive games of the week" on their website, but they don't appear to do that anymore.

    Games on Versus fall into three categories:

    (1) Exclusive Window - no other US telecasts within 2 hours (I believe) of the game's start time.
    (2) Exclusive Game - no other US telecast of that game, but other games may be telecast
    (3) Out-of-market - regional telecasts of the game are allowed - Versus is blacked out unless the local team/network waives restrictions (like with Center Ice)

    Each week Versus generally has one game of type (1) and one game of type (2). Sometimes they will add additional games, which fall under type (3). In the playoffs, most of their games in the first round are of type (3), the second round is a mix of types (2) and (3), and the third and fourth rounds are all type (1).
     
  6. CBMC

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    Thanks for that info. Didn't really think about MNF, but that makes complete sense since they seem to switch to Monday at the end of the Football season.
     
  7. RoyGBiv

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    I watched the Rangers-Caps on Versus last night, and the picture was awful. Can someone explain to me how a game broadcast from MSG on MSG network can look great but a game broadcast from MSG on Versus can look like crap?

    I mean, don't they use the same equipment? I'm sure the cameras and cabling and everything is the same out to the broadcast truck. Then what happens that they totally f*** it up?

    SMK
     
  8. JoeTheDragon

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    IS Versus compressing there feed?
     
  9. CBMC

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    Some feeds seem compressed. I have no written evidence, but like you said, certain channels definitely look cleaner. Now, I am not sure who is to blame for the compression. MSG and NESN look great, but Altitude and VS look compressed (more pixelation), all four broadcast are @ 1080i. The Fox stations (RSN's + OTA) also look very compressed @ 720p. The question becomes: where is the compression taking place. The use of HD Lite has been discussed a ton on the forums and many believe that DTV is compressing their signal. This probably is true. But, I have noticed that many OTA signals (Fox and NBC) have, at times, looked extremely compressed. This year football on both NBC and Fox have a ton of pixelation with an antenna (OTA). Artifacts were very noticeable both with OTA and Direct. There was really no discernible difference between OTA and Direct. So it makes me wonder where the compression is happening. I would be interested to know, if someone with access to Verizon Fios (which, from my understanding, passes uncompressed fiber optic), could compare the Versus feed, or for that matter, any of the FoxNet feeds with Direct. But there is no doubt in my mind that the MSG + Nesn feeds are compressed to a lesser extent. (if not, none at all) I will say that after watching Directv SD, the HD looks amazing, even the compressed channels, but going from MSG to Fox and there is definitely a considerable downgrade in quality.
     
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  11. CBMC

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    If the quality is the same as mlb.tv, then on the playstation the picture would be better through gamecenter than on Directv CI SD. That being said, the Directv HD feeds are far superior to the Gamecenter HD feeds. I haven't used gamecenter in a couple of years, but even then, I don't remember being any worse than Directv SD.
     
  12. sigma1914

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    I tried free GameCenter feeds one day...not great, but decent.
     
  13. TheRatPatrol

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    Some on here have said its because D* is getting an uncompressed fiber feed directly from MSG and then rebroadcast it with no compressing.
     
  14. wallybarthman

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    Every signal is compressed - whether it's on DTV, FiOS, Cable, OTA etc. It's a matter of by whom, how well, and how many times.

    Here's my hunch. Some feeds are given directly to DTV and via Fiber in MPEG-4 which it then uplinked to DTV's birds and decoded by our receivers. Other feeds, for example Versus, are produced and encoded into MPEG-2 then uplinked to Satellite. DTV then downlinks the feed and re-encodes it to MPEG-4 which is then decoded by our receivers.

    It's also a factor of camera quality, encoders, etc. There's a lot of factors into the picture quality.

    One issue that comes up often is re-encoding. Comcast is notorious for this - they'll try and fit three HD streams into the space normally reserved for two. This requires them to re-encode into real time which ends up creating lousy quality picture.

    In any event, compression is a fact of life for any TV or video. Even Blu-Ray, the gold standard of hd quality is actually highly compressed. Uncompressed HD is around 2200 Mbps while blu-ray is around 30-35 Mbps using MPEG-4 AVC (or h.264, same thing, different names). DTV HD is around 8-9 Mbps MPEG-4 AVC while cable is usually around 12-15 Mbps MPEG-2. While cable is technically less compressed, MPEG-4 AVC is much more efficient than MPEG-2 and thus can create comparable quality at about half the bitrate.
     
  15. abooch

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    anyone having a problem with msg+hd tongiht?
     
  16. wallybarthman

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    I had a few minor blips - one during the shootout but I was watching the Buffalo feed
     
  17. flashburn

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    I was having stutters every once and a while until about 1:20 left in the 3rd, then ever since then it has been constant breakups, completely unwatchable. Way to go guys. :mad:

    Every other station is perfectly fine.
     
  18. wallybarthman

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    Were you watching on 635 or 638-1?
     
  19. RACJ2

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    I also was watching the Sabres HD feed via my Slingbox and it was fine, but not as clear as watching at home. Although I could clearly see the puck as it slid into the corner, off the $100 Million dollar mans stick in the shoot out. ;)
     
  20. paulsonj72

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    Tonight the Boston-Pittsburgh game was blacked out on the RSN's due to it being on the NHL network but why was the Pittsburgh rebroadcast blacked out but not NESN. Is it because they used the Pittsburgh feed on Fox Sports Pittsburgh. Also did the replay go a little long as (for what its worth) the next program was blacked out but when I turned to no more than 2 minutes later it was back. All in all just curious? This is my 1st day BACK with D* and am just wondering. No complaints.
     
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