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No NFL 2011/2012

Discussion in 'Sports Programming and Events' started by Dave, Sep 18, 2010.

  1. hdtvfan0001

    hdtvfan0001 Well-Known Member

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    Here's an e-mail I received this morning.

    It lays out a number of the concessions that seemed to have been on the table from the NFL owner's side. Honestly...this would seem to indicate there was real substance going on in the talks. It also makes me wonder just how rigid the Players union has been in these discussions. All of these items would be significant "wins" for the Players.

    Right now...it would be tough to understand why the players are still not talking at the table, unless they simply intended to walk all along.

     
  2. BudShark

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    If they were smart they wouldve reached a one to two year agreement. There will be little sympathy, understanding, or concern when people look at the economy, state of politics in the US, and Middle East, and natural disasters. Sometimes its best to realize you will come off as petty making an argument at a bad time. Right wrong or otherwise it is seen as millionaires fighting with billionaires over a few hundred million... And then the real news comes on. They are best to quickly and quietly resolve this.
     
  3. hdtvfan0001

    hdtvfan0001 Well-Known Member

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    Well said sir. Agree.
     
  4. fluffybear

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    Peachtree...
    I did not realize these men are forced to play football! Wait a minute, they aren't! They made a conscious choice to play and as such assume the risks that come with their job just as we poor shmoes make a decision on our chosen profession and as such assume the risks that come with it.

    Yes, it is hard to get into the pro's but is it any different for us shmoes? You go out and apply for a job and find yourself in a room with several other people but only 1 person is getting the job. The simple fact of life not everyone is going to make it to the "pro's"

    Why is it so hard to achieve financial security for these men? A player who earns nothing but the league minimum for 10 years will have been paid over 6 million dollars. Do you think there not achieving finical success might have something to do with the fact that they are no different then many shmoes out there who have zero idea on how to invest their money wisely? Maybe the NFL should do for it's players what Hollywood is doing for child actors! Hold back 25% of their wages and put it in a trust. This way when the player retires, he has a nest egg.
     
  5. sigma1914

    sigma1914 Well-Known Member DBSTalk Club

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    I read and heard that "the books" are the biggest issue.

    People need to realize that not all of the players in the league are multimillionaires like the Mannings, Brady, Rivers, etc. A friend of mine is a team captain & played 4 years, which is 1 year longer than the average career, and still makes a base salary around $650,000 a year. Take out taxes and his agent fees and that's not chump change he's left with at all, but his career could end at any moment...especially since he's on special teams.
     
  6. JACKIEGAGA

    JACKIEGAGA N.Y. FOOTBALL GIANTS

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    I hope you guys are right I want football on Sundays :D
     
  7. hdtvfan0001

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    The Green Bay Packers are a publicly owned franchise....the only one in the NFL, and rare among any sports period.

    Their "books" are open every year to every shareholder, and published as well. In the end...having this open information is unique to the Packers, but actually only supports the owners views that the players are getting a fair shake. I don't see a single player on the roster being "underpaid".

    Yes, there are some issues that need resolving...and the retired players in particular need more financial support (and that was offered by owners)...but it is pretty obvious that the NFLPA is about alot of talk and chatter...but really interested in milking out every nickle they can from the owners. All the other issues are a smokescreen.

    As a team owner myself :D (2 shares of Packer stock)... they aren't getting it from me. :lol:
     
  8. sigma1914

    sigma1914 Well-Known Member DBSTalk Club

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    Simple answer: They're not taught how to manage money. Even every day 9-5ers don't know how to manage their 40k/year...look at the personal debt crisis we live in.
    Thankfully, former players and financial experts are working to help players manage their money better. Real Sports with Bryant Gumbel recently covered this situation.
     
  9. sigma1914

    sigma1914 Well-Known Member DBSTalk Club

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    I do! Clay Mathews base salary was a mere $310,000. He's a beast. ;)
     
  10. hdtvfan0001

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    He's a second year player with alot of incentives.

    By the way...his 2010 salary is 3.050M... feel free to Google "Packer salaries" to confirm.

    Yup - he's a beast, and about to get paid for it too. ;)

    One added point.

    Green Bay is the 2nd "youngest" team in the NFL...so one would think the impact of the rookie salaries, etc., as well as other issues would impact them alot. It hasn't.

    This team has chosen for years to re-sign as many proven players as possible, and reward them for their performance.

    That's probably a "maverick" concept to the NFLPA, but the fact that they will lose very few players from a Superbowl team (and just 1 assistant coach) tells you the formula works.

    If the team is fair with the player, and the player performs and gets paid accordingly - everyone wins, including the fans. It works in Green Bay-perhaps a "lesson learned" for the rest of the league.
     
  11. hdtvfan0001

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    Here's the details....underpaid....uh....nope.

    As one can see...."base salary" means little...except for salary cap purposes.
     
  12. sigma1914

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    Oops, I had his 09 salary. I was just going by this... http://content.usatoday.com/sportsdata/football/nfl/Packers/salaries/2009
     
  13. hdtvfan0001

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    No problem.

    As shown in the stats I posted earlier....base salary has more to do with team cap numbers than it does for reflecting actual $$$ in a players pocket. Guaranteed $$$ up front goes right in the bank.

    Where do we sign up? :D:lol:
     
  14. SledgeHammer

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    Not that I care about football, but do you guys get your $350 or whatever insane amount it is now that you shelled out for NFL ST? Cuz last I remember the fine print said "No Refunds"?
     
  15. Herdfan

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    Teays...
    After the season starts. You can cancel anytime up to that point.
     
  16. Tom Robertson

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    You sound like a "typical" owner, buying into the hubris and arrogance of the NFL. :)

    Yes, it "sounds" like the owners "might" have made some interesting offer--according to the owners. The players (and some/most of the press) aren't buying it.

    The league is growing very nicely in all metrics. Revenues are up. Eyeballs are up. Interest is up.

    So why should the players take a smaller gross dollar amount than before? I can understand a smaller percentage of a larger pie, but a smaller total of a larger pie? Not a chance. :)

    If the owners were sincere, they have to realize they dug this hole (if there really is one...) and gradually fix the hole in the same way they gradually dug the hole. Done right, no group should ever have to take a smaller total amount of dollars from the year before. Unless they cancel a few games. Then everyone gets to take a smaller total because the whole pie will be smaller--all out of greed.

    This feels like a "make the union cave" negotiation to me. Has from day one, since it was the owners who backed out and threatened lockout.

    Cheers,
    Tom
     
  17. hdtvfan0001

    hdtvfan0001 Well-Known Member

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    Tom... !rolling

    You owe me a non-sticky qwerty PC keyboard. :D

    That made me laugh so loud, I have at least an hour of cleanup ahead of me.
     
  18. Tom Robertson

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    Wait... Didn't you "play" this "game" knowing about the potential dangers to personal health and well being? And the non-existent pay and health benefits into your future? :D

    Cheers,
    Tom
     
  19. hdtvfan0001

    hdtvfan0001 Well-Known Member

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    :lol: ...make....it... :lol: ...stop.... :lol:....dad.... :lol::lol::lol:
     
  20. Stewart Vernon

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    I swear it seems like the players and owners are trying to compete to LOSE the public opinion support...

    The players non-union has asked kids up for the NFL draft to not show up to shake hands and be on TV when they are drafted.

    Besides the fact that these kids aren't yet in the NFL (until they sign)... this is asking kids to give up a dream of being a high draft pick and making that walk to the stage all over stuff that they currently have no voice in...

    I was on the players' side more in the beginning... and the NFL hasn't helped its cause... but today's news of this request made on not-yet-players... has me scratching my head.
     

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