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No Stanley Cup on Dish

Discussion in 'Sports Programming and Events' started by mowingnut1, Mar 19, 2006.

  1. Greg Bimson

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    Uh, not really. Yes, timing may have been somewhat of a problem, but...

    The NHL and OLN/Comcast signed their carriage deal on 19 August, 2005. A news article three days later suggested that OLN/Comcast would be going back to any distributor that didn't widely distribute OLN to seek greater carriage in a basic tier. Keep in mind at this point the start of the season is less than six weeks away.

    The grumblings were there. No one listened.

    And don't forget this dispute wasn't only with Dish Network; it was with Cablevision and parts of Cox and Adelphia, as well.
     
  2. Geronimo

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    We are not parties to these contracts and can't see them. But, it was OLN's contention that their contract with the NHL required them to get carriage at a tier that met certain requirements.

    That is how we got into the whole situation where OLN claimed to have an OLN (no NHL) and and OLN plus (with NHL) and DISH countered that there was no such distinction and so dropped OLN altogether.

    We will probably never know how or exactly when OLN notified DISH of the requirement for the feed without the NHL. We probably also won't know what price OLN wound up with or whether this whole delay was ended when the NHL decided they were better off with some DISH viewers than none.

    The whole thing was a PR disaster all around. I am sure that the NHL wishes that they were still on ESPN. They made a similar "mistake" in the early 80s when they chose Sports Channel America. OLN I am sure wishes that they had gotten better carriage deals and DISH is probably tired of hearing from hockey, Tour De France and bull riding fans.
     
  3. saltrek

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    A little history:

    1. When that article came out, the feeling was that systems with OLN on a sports tier would be blacked out of NHL games. This means paying a premium over and above whatever tier you are on to get a handhul of sports oriented channels. Cablevision in NY was one of the systems that only provided OLN via a sports package. No one thought that any system that included OLN within a multi-channel tier would get blacked out.

    2. The first game of the season was not blacked out from anyone. There was no alternate feed.

    3. Most systems were blacked out during the second week including DirecTV and many cable systems that had OLN in their lower tiers. OLN admitted to having technical trouble in sending the game to the right people. It was still unclear whether Dish was supposed to be blacked out or not.

    It wasn't until after the third week of the season when we knew what was happening to Dish. Also, the fact that Dish's EPG would show "NHL Hockey" up until an hour before game time didn't help matters. Then we started hearing about the 40% rule from OLN.
     
  4. tsmacro

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    Gee Really? Imagine That!:rolleyes: Could it be that it was because that OLN is a niche channel w/ limited viewers? And that the NFL network was adding live football games, only the most popular sport on tv? Ya think that maybe that could have something to do with it possibly?:sure: I'm amazed that you seem to think both situations should be treated the same way!
     
  5. Greg Bimson

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    I am sure I'll be able to find other articles. There was even a post here about the OLN carriage issue with Dish before the season actually started. With that kind of information, Dish was already aware of the issue before the start of the season.

    The first game wasn't blacked out to anyone. The second game was blacked out to those below the carriage requirements, although there were technical difficulties to those above the carriage requirements. It was during the third game that the issue between Dish Network and OLN was known.
     
  6. Greg Bimson

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    Sure they should be treated the same way. Otherwise, it appears that the company is flip-flopping on the issue, as well as those that defend it.

    Once again, the NFL Network (according to most observers if you believe the proposed rate card) will receive between a 100 to 275 percent rate hike. We don't know what OLN asked for, other than lower tier carriage.

    It's just hypocritical.
     
  7. Geronimo

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    Actually OLN ISa niche channel. That was the problem with the whole deal with them. Which may explain why the NHL put certain restrictions on the deal---in the hopes that it would lead to wider carriage.

    my own guess is that none of the parties is giving us the whole truth. At the very least they could all have handled it better and achieved a result that would have been better for all of them and the fans and viewers (not that we really matter)
     
  8. Mikey

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    I see it as a business decision, not a matter of principle. If a provider doesn't carry NHL games, losing the few subs who would demand NHL games to another provider would have an acceptable impact on profits. Losing the many subs who would demand NFL games would have a substantial impact on profits. It's not the principle, it's the money.
     
  9. tsmacro

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    Flip-flopping on what exactly? Dish didn't feel what OLN was offering was worth it's while so they dropped them. On the other hand what the NFL network had to offer was worthwhile so they renegotiated with them. How is there any issue at with this? Sure the NFL network had leverage on their side, but it could be they also approached negotiations in a more agreeable way to begin with, who knows? It's all about what makes business sense not whether the same standards were applied to both situations no matter how much you want it to be. But for that matter even if the same standards weren't applied (we really don't know for sure) SO WHAT!!
     
  10. tsmacro

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    BINGO!!! Give the man a prize!:lol: I thought it was just about that obvious myself.
     
  11. Greg Bimson

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    That is because you are reading the wrong issue. Take a look at the old OLN/Dish Network threads telling Charlie to hold the line. Then take a look at Dish Network's press release above regarding the pricing increase that OLN tried to implement.

    I guess Dish Network should issue this press release regarding the NFL...
    Dish Network held the line against Comcast and OLN for a modest rate increase or lower tier. But not for the NFL Network.

    And if you ask the majority of customers, they won't want the extra cost on the NFL Network, either.
     
  12. Geronimo

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    What press release discusses an OLN price increase?


    What it comes down is that the NFL had more leverage so DISH allowed a price increase (and potentially the addition to a lower tier). The NHL has less and was dropped for a time, did not get the tier addition they wanted and no mention was made ofa change in rate.
     
  13. tsmacro

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    Well good to know that you're so sure what the majority of Dish's customers want. I'm sure you've done extensive research to back it up, so I won't even bother disputing it. :sure: By the way how do you know that Dish didn't stand up to the NFL network? Afterall for all we know the NFL network migt've started out by asking for twice as much as they got. You just seem to want to believe so badly that Dish just bent over and took it from the NFL and then are going to turn around and do the same to it's subscribers. The truth of the matter is that we don't really know. All we do know is that the negotiations for OLN got ugly and the ones for the NFL network didn't result in Dish dropping the channel.
     
  14. Philly_Import

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    HEY, I was wondering, who out there gets NHL games on CBC?? Naturally this question is more directed at those up north. Reason I ask is that my cousin leaves in the middle of New York, but does not receive the CBC's coverage of the NHL. Does anyone know where their coverage runs here in the States; perhaps cities like Detroit, Buffalo, Seattle maybe??????? I appreciate the help.
     
  15. KyL416

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    OLN has been carrying some of the CBC Feeds for their games, and some other CBC games are carried via Center Ice. Also, if you live on the border and have a provider that carries the CBC, you would probably get them, unless OLN and/or iNDemand forces a blackout on those systems due to exclusive rights for the CBC Games in the US.
     
  16. JohnL

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    Philly,


    The only US citizens that are able to get CBC are a VERY LIMITED few that can get a Canadian OTA signal or some Border cities carry CBC amoungst others on the local cable companies service.

    Basically it boils down to being close enough to the Canadian OTA transmitter to pick up those channels, Cable is allowed to pick up "Significantly Viewed" channels and offer them as well. Significantly viewed is a clause that allows US cable companies to carry foreign (Non US channels) as long as a Significant geographic portion of that cable franchise could receive that or those signals via an OFF AIR Antenna.

    Both DirecTV and Dish Network are UNABLE to carry CBC or Canadian channels as they would have to use scare bandwidth for a VERY LIMITED subset of subscribers as well as be REQUIRED to blackout portions of syndicated exclusive programs that air on their OWN local markets OTA stations.

    Another way to get SELECT CBC NHL broadcasts is to subscribe to Center Ice. Center Ice has at least 2 games per week on from CBC. Another poster did mention that OLN uses some CBC feeds to carry games, but you will NOT always hear the CBC Audio on the OLN telecasts.

    John
     

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