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Northern California 103b signal levels...

Discussion in 'DIRECTV Installation/MDU Discussion' started by pdawg17, Oct 10, 2007.

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  1. Oct 15, 2007 #61 of 373
    pdawg17

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    WOW! Now the question is whether the WNC LNB made the difference or not...those are the best numbers I've seen from our area up to now...there is no way I could get mine higher than they are now and they are not at all close to your numbers...and I only have one 25 foot run straight to the HR-20...I have no other receivers/splitters/etc...just curious...what does the HR-20 say your aim should be and what did you end up with? And what were your "pre-realignment" signal levels?
     
  2. Oct 16, 2007 #62 of 373
    pilotbob3

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    My pre-tweak levels were in the 70's. I don't really count on the aim numbers off the receiver for anything but the initial point and find (and then I have a cheap-o-meter to do the first bird find).

    Don't know how different the dish/LNB combo is from the slimline...

    -Bob
     
  3. Oct 16, 2007 #63 of 373
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    On 103b I am getting 77 to 83 here in Roseville where it is raining lightly right now.
     
  4. Oct 17, 2007 #64 of 373
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    Do you know of any sources, other than EBAY, to purchase the WNC LNBs for Slimline dishes? I couldn't find any doing a search.

    Also, how difficult are they to change out?

    Thanks.
     
  5. Oct 17, 2007 #65 of 373
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    Do you have a Calamp or WNC LNB?

    Btw everyone...my buddy who lives about 2 miles from me just checked his signal strength on 103b and the lowest he gets is 83...I'm going to go by tomorrow and see what LNB he has...
     
  6. Oct 17, 2007 #66 of 373
    K4SMX

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    Well you can always get the whole dish for ~$100. All of mine have come from the good folks at Summit Source, and every single one of them came with a WNC LNB. They drop ship these from Perfect 10 Distributing in Arkansas (wholesale only). Perhaps you could get Summit to special order just the LNB from them. Perfect 10 sells a lot of satellite stuff and may stock just the WNC LNB as a separate item.

    All Slimline LNB's are interchangeable. All you need is a medium Phillips screwdriver with a long shaft, a pair of pliers, and a 7/16" wrench to remove the coax connectors once you wiggle the LNB loose from the arm. They fit very snuggly and have an alignment tab on the bottom. Put the hardware in your pocket while the LNB is off the dish, so you don't spend a lot of time looking around for it like me....
     
  7. Oct 19, 2007 #67 of 373
    firedog1

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    Thank you for your reply. At some point, I plan to attempt a dish tweaking to see if I can get my 103b numbers up. I too suffer from the odd/even tp discrepancy and am curious if my CALAMP LNBs are the culprit; being responsible for the low signal strength number as well.

    We have rain here again today. I'll see if I suffer rain fade and how much my numbers drop.
     
  8. Oct 19, 2007 #68 of 373
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    Looking back at all your posts, it's fairly clear that your dish could be better aligned. That will probably iron out the odd/even differences on 103(b). Where the final signal strengths come out on 103(b) is another issue, and you'll just have to decide at that point if you want to obtain a new LNB. As for your tuner 1/tuner2 discrepancy, that's yet another issue. I would try experimenting with swapping ant cables at the receiver, both with and without swapping the BBC's to see if there's a problem with either your ant cable, your BBC's, or tuner 2 in your receiver.
     
  9. Oct 19, 2007 #69 of 373
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    So I stopped by my buddy's house and he has an AT-9...does that mean he has a WNC brand LNB? It's too hard to get up on his roof right now...if it is, that tells me the WNB is much better than the Calamp...we are only two miles apart and my Calamp dish has been tweaked 3-4 times and his not at all...
     
  10. Oct 19, 2007 #70 of 373
    firedog1

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    Thank you again for your reply.

    About a month ago I did swap the cables, with and without the BBCs. It didn't seem to make any difference. Prior to D* testing the new HD and its subsequent rollout, both tuners were typically solid in the 90%+ range. Now, the numbers are all over the place; as low as 60% at times and it affects both tuners. I have to assume that this has something to do with the new HD stuff. Or, it's just a coincidence that it's happening now?

    Is it possible that the pixelation and audio junk are caused by the (at times) low "acquired at %" on the tuners? Today in fact, after the rain stopped and it was clear, I had lots of pixelation on local HDs (ABC and NBC specifically). I believe my locals are off 103a (2, 4, 6). Signal strength numbers for 103a are typically mid-90s. Is it worth requesting new BBCs from D*? Or...........?

    It's all very frustrating. In the 12 years I've been with D*, I've had more issues with pixelation and audio dropouts etc... in the last 2 months or so, by several times, than I had collectively in the previous 12 years.

    EDIT to add: On the signal strength screen it lists AZIMUTH 132, ELEVATION 41, TILT 115 (does this seem correct?)
     
  11. Oct 19, 2007 #71 of 373
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    Which part of the bay area do you live in? I am on the peninsula and that's exactly what mine says...after tweaking my tilt was better at 111 or so and EL at 42.5
     
  12. Oct 19, 2007 #72 of 373
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    Glad to see this thread. Convinced my dad to get D* about 6 months ago and he was loving it up until about two weeks ago when he started to get constant pixelation. After three different service calls they haven't been able to fix the problem. He's very upset to say the least as he took off work on all 3 occassions. They promises a "supervisor" for the last appointment but no supervisor came. Yet another visit scheduled. What are the chances that D* gives him at least a full month's refund? Based on this thread it appears that a lot of people are due a refund.
     
  13. Oct 19, 2007 #73 of 373
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    Your locals are off #2
    What are your cables like?
    How many connectors?
    Are any of them loose?
    I had D* run new coax and there are no more connectors than were the minimum needed.
    Also they managed to leave all of them loose, which caused problems until I went out and tightened everyone of them. I have needed to do this for everytime a tech has come out to do something as there has been at least one they will leave loose.

    "On the signal strength screen it lists AZIMUTH 132, ELEVATION 41, TILT 115 (does this seem correct?)" Those are just starting points to get you close. The signal strength is what you want to center on.
     
  14. Oct 19, 2007 #74 of 373
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    If you don't call with a big chip on your shoulder, the CSRs have been nice with credits [being nice to them may be why].
    Some CSRs can have a bad attitude, so if you find one of them, be nice and just call back for another one. If you get too pissy, they can put that on your account which won't help, so just don't bother with them if you "don't get a long" with them and just call back.
     
  15. Oct 19, 2007 #75 of 373
    roykeane

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    Thanks for the heads up.
     
  16. Oct 19, 2007 #76 of 373
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    I'm about 5 miles North of Berkeley, in the East Bay.
     
  17. Oct 19, 2007 #77 of 373
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    Thank you for the reply VOS

    I had a SLIMLINE 5 LNB (CALAMP), with 2 new RG6 cables installed with the HR20-700 in late March 2007.

    The cables are about 40'-50' from the dish, to a gold plated dual feed-through coax F connector insert in the wall (like this http://www.ramelectronics.net/catalogbyProdID.asp?prodid=28-110-P), from the wall there are 2-6' RG6 cables going directly to the back of the HR20. There is no multiswitch. None of the cables inside the house seem to be loose.
     
  18. Oct 19, 2007 #78 of 373
    veryoldschool

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    That link doesn't seem to work for me.
    I'd check the coax at the dish too, since that was where my first problems came from.
    While "gold plated" may sound good, it doesn't make it a better connector. What color is the center? Blue I hope.
     
  19. Oct 19, 2007 #79 of 373
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    VOS has a good point here. You should find every single connector in your cabling, unscrew it, inspect it for any corrosion, and tighten it back down with a 7/16" wrench. This has solved a lot of problems for other people. We're dealing with very low voltages here, and anything loose or corroded will definitely cause a problem eventually.
     
  20. Oct 20, 2007 #80 of 373
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    Definitely worth checking but it seems a lot of people in the Bay Area have the numbers he's getting...
     
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