I bought a 20-700 and a new 5lnb dish from an ebay Directv dealer, but when I called to ask about activating the new unit, I was told by Directv the new dvr would have to be leased, and that I could not own it, but since I was an "Alist" customer, I could activate it without having to re-up for another two years. I would, however, have to talk to another customer rep to do that, and when I was connected, they wouldn't even let me do that! The rationale, I am told, is that the 20-700's are sold at a subsidized price. Well, I paid 2X the Best Buy price to own the damn thing! I got the seller to take back the dish and the dvr. So be it. I just don't want to re-up for another two year committment with a company that has not met my expectations for the past two years, and sold me a non- subsidized 10-250 that has been a constant headache since the software updates started. Maybe I should have asked for my money back on the 10-250! Is it or is it not possible to own a 20-700? I thought it was, based on what some say they have been able to negotiate. I think I could live with that concept if they would not make me re-up! At any rate, I got so angry, I cancelled, effective 8-21.