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Now that DoD is National ... How should DoD menu navigation work?

Discussion in 'DIRECTV Connected Home' started by Drew2k, Oct 27, 2007.

Should DoD menu navigation be changed? (Please read first post before you vote!)

  1. Yes - change it: Use CH/PG-UP/DN for in-menu navigation and use RED/GREEN to switch to the previous

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  2. Yes - change it: Use CH/PG-UP/DN for in-menu navigation and use some other way to switch to the prev

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  3. No - leave it as is: Continue using CH//PG-UP/DN to switch to the next or previous DoD screen; use s

    34 vote(s)
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  4. I don't care / I don't use DoD

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  1. Drew2k

    Drew2k DIRECTV A-Team

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    There was a poll about this topic when DoD was first released as Cutting Edge software, but now that DoD has gone national and the user base is expanding, I think it's time to revisit the question of how menu navigation within DoD screens should work.

    I have been using DoD since the first CE that enabled it, and I immensely dislike that DoD screens are presented as menus but don't behave like menus.

    On every menu screen I can interact with, I can press CHANNEL/PAGE-DOWN and CHANNEL/PAGE-UP and move the selector to the bottom or top of the menu.

    Sadly, DIRECTV chose to make CH-UP/DN move to the next or previous DoD menu. Nice idea, but horrible implementation. Why? When you launch DoD from the Quick Menu, you're taking to the DoD home page. If you spy that nice "More VOD" menu option at the bottom of the screen and try to get there with one CH-DN ... Woops! You're thrown out of DoD and taken to ... an XM station!

    So you use a menu to get to another menu and ... get kicked out of the menus! :down:

    As others have pointed out, the XM Station is "Virus", which often has crude, lewd, and rude content. So not only did you lose your original channel buffer (being maintained in the PIG while you are in the DoD menus), you're presented with potentially objectional "adult" content from Virus jockeys like Opie and Anthony.

    In my opinion, here's what DIRECTV should do: Make CH-UP and CH-DN be screen navigation keys, just like everywhere else in the GUI, and make the unused RED and GREEN keys be the PREV and NEXT VOD keys (adding these next to YELLOW and BLUE at the bottom of every VOD Menu).

    What do you think DIRECTV should do, if anything? Should DoD menu navigation be changed?

    - Yes - change it: Use CH/PG-UP/DN for in-menu navigation and use RED/GREEN to switch to the previous or next DoD screen
    - Yes - change it: Use CH/PG-UP/DN for in-menu navigation and use some other way to switch to the previous or next DoD screen (describe in a response below)
    - No - leave it as is: Continue using CH//PG-UP/DN to switch to the next or previous DoD screen; use single arrow UP/DN for in-menu navigation
    - I don't care / I don't use DoD
     
  2. houskamp

    houskamp New Member

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    Somewhere between 1 and 2.. I have the "more vod" to change channels.. would like the channel up/down to just page in vod screens..
     
  3. Coffey77

    Coffey77 Cutting Edge: ECHELON '07

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    I agree with houskamp, I don't necessarily care if number 1 works and if they want to do number 2 (I voted for #2), that would be fine with me as well. I'm really pushing for the CH UP/DN change. I also posted this at the other thread:

    Thank you for posting this idea as it reminded me of one of my other "peeves". I agree that once you move a program to the top of the Queue, you should have the option to over-ride the first item on the list and begin download on the one you're Queue-ing.

    Once you pause the initial downloading program, it should become movable and when you bump up another program, the new program should become the downloading priority.

    -or- you should be able to select which program you want to download in no matter which order. If I want to start item 3, I should not have to move it to the top and then cancel download 1. I may still want download 1 but just not first. Now, unless there's another way, I have to delete download one and move download three to the top and restart the downloading... then go back and "find" download 1 again and add it back to the queue.

    I hope it makes sense, I can try and clarify it if it's not so clear. :)
     
  4. Michael D'Angelo

    Michael D'Angelo Lifetime Achiever

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    I voted for #2 because I do think the channel up/down should work like you said.

    As for the other part I don't really care how that is done.
     
  5. Coffey77

    Coffey77 Cutting Edge: ECHELON '07

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    It was mentioned that I could "filter" this channel from my list - I don't want to have to filter MY list and I'm sure there are many others out there that just wouldn't know how and wouldn't want to learn how. I don't even have kids yet and it bothers me. If I did have kids and they were searching for some Cartoon network stuff or whatever and they landed on the Virus channel - Mrs. Coffey would not be a happy camper and if Mrs. Coffey isn't happy, Mr. Coffey is DEFINATELY not going to be happy. ;)
     
  6. jes

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    As I understand DoD, as of today, you need an HR20-700... Until it includes all versions of HR20/HR21, I don't consider that "gone national", more like beta testing... :D
     
  7. Drew2k

    Drew2k DIRECTV A-Team

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    Previously, DoD was only available to Cutting Edge testers. That is no longer the case, as it is now available to any HR20 -700 user regardless of participation in the Cutting Edge program, so it is "national".
     
  8. lucky13

    lucky13 DIRECTV A-Team

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    Agree, agree.
    If Ch Dn gets me to more VOD, I can navigate easily through the pages.
    DOD is a menu disguised as a channel. It should work as a menu.
     
  9. code4code5

    code4code5 Godfather

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    The only place that Channel up/down doesn't work for page up/down is on the home screen, Channel 1000. Everywhere else, it works just as it should on my 100.
     
  10. Drew2k

    Drew2k DIRECTV A-Team

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    Are you sayingn that if you go to channel 1202, CNN-DoD, you can press CHANNEL-DN and it doesn't switch to the DoD home menu, instead the highlight jumps to the bottom of the screen? That's not happening on my HR20-700.

    On every DoD menu, CH-UP and CH-DN only change DoD screens, instead of moving the selector to the top or bottom of the menu.
     
  11. Drew2k

    Drew2k DIRECTV A-Team

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    After a weekend and very few visitors (where is everyone!?), here's where we stand:

    53 votes have been case, and 72% want CH-UP/DN to be changed, so they work as PG-UP/DN and not jump to another DoD menu.
     
  12. GregLee

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    Treating the DOD items as a special type of Guide menu items is sort of like the Unix convention of considering all sorts of things as files, e.g. device control entries, even though they may be very different from ordinary text or binary files. Being a Unix person, I don't have a problem with a "menu" which is a local grouping of items from the Guide. So I voted against your proposal.
     
  13. Drew2k

    Drew2k DIRECTV A-Team

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    As a former UNIX guy, although I don't quite understand your reasoning, I welcome your participation in the poll!
     
  14. Tom Robertson

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    The DoD navigation is quite inconsistent. At one time you can be in the left hand navi and hit page down it works as expected, navigating thru the list. But other times it will operate channel you are on.

    I guess the answer is when operating in a displayed menu the CHAN/PAGE button should always be PAGE. Even if the menu is a channel itself.

    Cheers,
    Tom
     
  15. say-what

    say-what DIRECTV A-Team

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    My preference has always been that ch up/down allow you to navigate from one VOD channel/page to the next. I don't like the jump to the top/bottom of the menu on the main page as there aren't that many options to choose from anyway. Besides, I think the average user will tend to "flip channels".
     
  16. Drew2k

    Drew2k DIRECTV A-Team

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    I think that's really the question: What will the average user think when they see a DoD screen? That they're in a channel or in a menu? If they think they're in a menu, they'll probably expect menu-like behavior. If they think they're in a channel ... they'd expect CH+/- to change channels.

    My belief is most users will think they're in a menu screen, just like the screen displayed when they hit LIST+YELLOW to get to their To Do List and their prioritizer, or MENU + SETUP, with the PIG in the top-right and a list of options down the left side of the screen.
     
  17. Drew2k

    Drew2k DIRECTV A-Team

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    With 89 votes cast, 68.54% of the poll respondents want true menu navigation within the DoD screens, with CHANNEL-UP/DN working as PAGE-UP/PAGE-DN keys just like in the rest of the GUI.
     
  18. Drew2k

    Drew2k DIRECTV A-Team

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    With 101 votes case, 72.28% of the poll respondents want true menu navigation within the DoD screens.

    Keep those votes coming!
     
  19. Dan B

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    I've accidentally switched to that XM channel a half dozen times since getting DoD yesterday, so...yeah I'd like to fix that.
     
  20. Drew2k

    Drew2k DIRECTV A-Team

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    Bump
     
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